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But how many would have caught it if they didn't have the vaccine? 545? There is no comparison, so it's meaningless.
It might not have been mentioned in the link I posted but other sources report Maccabi ran a random test among its non-vaccinated clients at the same time and found that of 628,000 members of diverse profiles, 18,425 or 2.9% contracted coronavirus during the same period. So 2.9% vs 0.1% and maybe 15,000 vs 500.
Pfizer supplied Israel with vaccine earlier and in higher numbers in return for their health system (Maccabi) gathering data such as this. Nearly 80% of the people over 60 in Israel have now been vaccinated so much of the data is coming from an older cohort making it all the more encouraging.
Just the thought of being a part of that term, that I bolded, scares the bejeezus out of me. Would you volunteer to be a part of that group?
Although, I must commend those people who do it. They're braver than I am.
Well yeah, there won't be control groups anymore. The vaccines were declared effective based on a tiny sample, and now it would be "unethical" to deprive anyone. So there won't be any more comparisons, and we won't know if they are safe and effective.
Yes its best to use our own minds FOR ANYTHING... Dont blindly listen to someone else because they are most likely wanting to steer you in a certain direction and you guys are too smart for that right?
Dont trust anyone!!! --- DTA -- Its the best way to be.....
Yes its best to use our own minds FOR ANYTHING... Dont blindly listen to someone else because they are most likely wanting to steer you in a certain direction and you guys are too smart for that right?
Dont trust anyone!!! --- DTA -- Its the best way to be.....
Obviously, we have to trust other people or we can't function in society. We trust that other drivers will stop at a red light. But at the same time, we can be careful and skeptical. We can gather information from diverse sources, not just one source that is predictably biased. If a medical doctor recommends dangerous expensive surgery, we get at least a second opinion. When someone tries to sell us something, we realize they might be exaggerating the benefits of whatever they are selling.
By the time we are adults, we have learned not to automatically believe whatever we are told. We don't believe all advertisements, all medical doctors, all financial advisors, etc.
BUT, AMAZINGLY, we now see most Americans having a childlike trust in the drug industry.
Well yeah, there won't be control groups anymore. The vaccines were declared effective based on a tiny sample, and now it would be "unethical" to deprive anyone. So there won't be any more comparisons, and we won't know if they are safe and effective.
"It might not have been mentioned in the link I posted but other sources report Maccabi ran a random test among its non-vaccinated clients at the same time and found that of 628,000 members of diverse profiles, 18,425 or 2.9% contracted coronavirus during the same period. So 2.9% vs 0.1% and maybe 15,000 vs 500.
Pfizer supplied Israel with vaccine earlier and in higher numbers in return for their health system (Maccabi) gathering data such as this. Nearly 80% of the people over 60 in Israel have now been vaccinated so much of the data is coming from an older cohort making it all the more encouraging."
"It might not have been mentioned in the link I posted but other sources report Maccabi ran a random test among its non-vaccinated clients at the same time and found that of 628,000 members of diverse profiles, 18,425 or 2.9% contracted coronavirus during the same period. So 2.9% vs 0.1% and maybe 15,000 vs 500.
Pfizer supplied Israel with vaccine earlier and in higher numbers in return for their health system (Maccabi) gathering data such as this. Nearly 80% of the people over 60 in Israel have now been vaccinated so much of the data is coming from an older cohort making it all the more encouraging."
And they didn't say if those cases had symptoms or not? Or if they were serious or not?
You must be very careful about what you read online, though. Not all reports are coming from a reputable source. There's so much misinformation online, it's a wonder any of us can hold an intelligent thought in our head these days.
I understand the feeling of those who believe everyone should be vaccinated but it doesn't diminish the fact that we're all different and maybe just as frightened of experiencing a negative reaction because we often experience a negative reaction to even the most mundane drug. The thing is, you won't really know unless you receive the injection but, by then, it's too late.
"She stressed that among those who have vaccinated and become infected, the vast majority have experienced the coronavirus lightly. Out of the 523,000 fully vaccinated people, 544 were infected with COVID-19, of whom 15 needed hospitalization: Eight are in mild condition, three in moderate condition, and four in severe condition.'"
"Israel’s largest healthcare provider on Sunday reported a 94% drop in symptomatic COVID-19 infections among 600,000 people who received two doses of the Pfizer’s vaccine in the country’s biggest study to date.
Health maintenance organization (HMO) Clalit, which covers more than half of all Israelis, said the same group was also 92% less likely to develop severe illness from the virus.
The comparison was against a group of the same size, with matching medical histories, who had not received the vaccine.
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Originally Posted by HereOnMars
Can't speak for G4N but I read it. I also read the following post and that's what concerns me.
That is one anecdotal case. Why does that concern you more than almost 500,000 deaths from COVID-19?
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