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Old 02-09-2021, 10:51 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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America isn't a nation. It is an empire. An economy with an Army. It exists to make profits and to dominate the world.
The US is a Republic-style Constitutional confederation of states.
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Old 02-09-2021, 10:51 AM
 
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the US government figured out that if you keep things relatively peaceful at home, you can do whatever you want abroad (and also spend unlimited amount of money on the military when you are geography positioned to be able to spend way less). its very impressive how the US can go around invading country after country and intentionally causing massive amounts of internal conflict in other countries and people not only dont recognize that but actually believe that the US is the "good guy."
it's because we americans have been brainwashed since birth to believe that the US gov and military are deployed around the globe to spread peace, freedom and democracy when it's anything but.

the other contributing factor is that the media is an extension of our gov, which controls the global airwaves.
the sheeple will believe anything, especially if it comes from US based news outlets, but deny every other source as foreign propaganda.

https://swprs.org/the-propaganda-multiplier/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1tfkESPVY
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Old 02-09-2021, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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FYI I don't think high ethnic diversity is a bad thing, increased violence just comes with the bill.

Violence can add many exciting factors to life, and increase cultural value.

If America were a boring homogenous country then it wouldn't produce much of the greatness we do right now.
What do you mean by greatness? Do you mean that we are a superpower with the largest economy on Earth?

Would America not have the largest economy if we didn't have diversity? Wasn't Nazi Germany the most technologically and industrially advanced economy in the world, with virtually no diversity? What role is diversity playing in the rise of China?


I agree that the United States has benefited from immigration, but not because the immigrants are diverse, but because the immigrants offer additional labor at a discount price, and because the types of people who are willing to travel thousands of miles to get here, leaving their entire world behind, tend to be very ambitious people who are eager to do whatever it takes to get rich.

Moreover, diversity is basically a fact of life. The larger the population, the more diverse. Large countries have many advantages over small countries. In fact, every country fundamentally wishes to be as big as possible, and will never give up their territory unless forced.


As a country's borders expand, and as its interests become international, it must grow a certain tolerance for diversity, and even praise it, to keep the increasingly hostile and restless population pacified. With the groups who are most restless requiring the most praise.

Over the long-term, there are literally zero benefits to diversity. And in a few hundred years virtually all meaningful diversity will have ceased to exist.
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Old 02-09-2021, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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The US is a Republic-style Constitutional confederation of states.
No. The US is an empire held together by force, that conquered a continent, subjugated all in its path. Which later seized control of Hawaii, the Philippines, Cuba, etc. And only gave up the Philippines through war.

The United States is not a confederation, it is a federation. A Federal Republic. The Federal government has absolute authority over the states.

"Any government, that is its own judge of, and determines authoritatively for the people, what are its own powers over the people, is an absolute government of course. It has all the powers that it chooses to exercise. There is no other or at least no more accurate definition of a despotism than this." - Lysander Spooner

Not only are the states not nations in their own right(each are a mix of many peoples who often hate each other, with each state barely distinguishable from the rest), but attempts by individual states to defy Federal authority has been repeatedly crushed.

The states are mere provinces or municipalities within a great empire. Much like the Roman provinces in relation to Rome. In fact, the United States is the Roman Empire. Which is fitting because the founders literally modeled this country after the Roman Empire. Even its buildings are inspired by Roman architecture.

The Constitution is a parchment that has no force unto itself, and which pretty much no one has followed since the day it was written.

"Either the Constitution has authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it." - Lysander Spooner
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Old 02-09-2021, 11:35 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Well, I don't personally care how the world sees us. I really don't. But as a suggestion when they picture my little corner of America they should picture a guy in blue jeans a faded denim jacket boots and a cowboy hat with a SW mod 25 strapped to his side standing with a lil' bitty gal dressed similarly but wearing a ball cap with beautiful hair in a pony tail sticking out the back of it. Oh, and she's carrying a short barreled 12 ga.

Flying from the mast in the background is a Naval Gadsden underneath Old Glory. But that's just a suggestion. If they want to picture us as Darth Vader and Captain Phasma that's up to them.
nobody really needs you to worry about how the world sees us. what should matter to you is why they see the US government in this manner. because it is going around the world mass murdering innocent people and destroying other countries. is that a problem for you or you figure it doesnt matter as long as you have your blue jeans and faded boots on? people in other countries dont have the same right to live as you and your lil bitty gal?
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Old 02-09-2021, 11:40 AM
 
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No. The US is an empire held together by force, that conquered a continent, subjugated all in its path. Which later seized control of Hawaii, the Philippines, Cuba, etc. And only gave up the Philippines through war.

The United States is not a confederation, it is a federation. A Federal Republic. The Federal government has absolute authority over the states.
100% incorrect. The US federal government is specifically limited in its responsibilities and powers by the US Constitution: 10th Amendment.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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Old 02-09-2021, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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100% incorrect. The US federal government is specifically limited in its responsibilities and powers by the US Constitution: 10th Amendment.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
The Federal government decides for itself what its powers are. The Supreme Court is the ultimate arbiter of all Constitutional questions. If the Supreme Court rules the Federal government has the power, then it has the power.

And you know this, so why argue with me?
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Old 02-09-2021, 11:57 AM
 
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The Federal government decides for itself what its powers are. The Supreme Court is the ultimate arbiter of all Constitutional questions. If the Supreme Court rules the Federal government has the power, then it has the power.

And you know this, so why argue with me?
10th Amendment. SCOTUS cannot just ignore the 10th Amendment, regardless of what you believe.

Just one example... Printz v. United States (1997). SCOTUS objected to the federal Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act that demanded that state agencies perform background checks on buyers before issuing handguns. It was called unconstitutional because it "forced participation of the State’s executive in the actual administration of a federal program."
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Old 02-09-2021, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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10th Amendment. SCOTUS cannot just ignore the 10th Amendment, regardless of what you believe.

Just one example... Printz v. United States (1997). SCOTUS objected to the federal Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act that demanded that state agencies perform background checks on buyers before issuing handguns. It was called unconstitutional because it "forced participation of the State’s executive in the actual administration of a federal program."
And Printz v. United States was a 5-4 decision. Replace one judge and the ruling would have been different.

The same thing goes for District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. City of Chicago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distri...mbia_v._Heller

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDona...ity_of_Chicago


As well as pretty much every major Supreme Court decision ever. Same-sex marriage? 5-4 decision.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obergefell_v._Hodges

Even the Obamacare mandate was a 5-4 decision.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...ss_v._Sebelius


The Judicial majority makes a Constitutional argument in favor, and the minority makes a Constitutional argument against. So who was right? Both, and neither.

Had Hillary Clinton won in 2016, the court would be much different than it is today.

So let me repeat again what I said, "The Supreme Court is the ultimate arbiter of all Constitutional questions. If the Supreme Court rules the Federal government has the power, then it has the power."
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Old 02-09-2021, 12:18 PM
 
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the US government figured out that if you keep things relatively peaceful at home, you can do whatever you want abroad (and also spend unlimited amount of money on the military when you are geography positioned to be able to spend way less). its very impressive how the US can go around invading country after country and intentionally causing massive amounts of internal conflict in other countries and people not only dont recognize that but actually believe that the US is the "good guy."
btw, I don't necessarily agree it was done to keep things peaceful at home.
it was done to maintain supremacy globally, which benefits the wealthy and elite (politicians, corporations, etc).
our govt will only do the bare minimum to keep the plebeians happy/distracted enough to not revolt, which is dangerously close to happening.
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