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Old 02-05-2021, 04:01 PM
 
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You mean that Democrats want to comply with the Constitution.




How so? In what way would knowing the demographic distribution of immigrants help with a path to citizenship? Please provide your sources supporting this assertion.



Not sure where this came from at all, and it isn't terribly coherent.

What we have here is the poster arguing against Constitutional compliance, asserting something that makes no sense, then assuming something that isn't in evidence.

Do you make all of your life decisions in this completely unfocused manner?

Sure, pick a word, any word, and extrapolate it to secure the foundation for any argument. How convenient to ignore the rest of the document where that word seldom if ever appears. Additionally, read , study and think about what the overall intentions of the Framers were. It was certainly not to create and maintain an open door , free for all for the inhabitants of the world to show up on our doorstep and be catered to. I suppose next Democrats will try to convince everyone that WE the People refers to just about anyone else in the world who wants to participate in the greatest civilization , the longest standing democracy in the history of the world. Dems want to try their hardest to convince everyone that the overwhelming success of America is ...oh so wrong. A failure. There are “ groups “ that are just not making it. Almost a new one everyday , or a new collection of alphabet letters .

Democrats are all about groups. Identity Politics. They are ready to walk all over the rights of individuals, which is clear in regards in their support of Transgenders as a GROUP vs the individual rights of a girl or woman. Without “ groups’ for their media enablers to support and circle the wagons, they don;t have a leg to stand on. By collectively identifying “ groups “ of illegals, it becomes easier to extend policies ,favor, money and services when a collective guilt for their plight is imposed on the populace. Dems work hard at that .

Your defense appears to be a personal insult. Par for the course.Think more, assume less.
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Old 02-05-2021, 04:17 PM
 
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It's in Biden's $1.9 trillion stimulus package. Last round, mixed families with questionable status did not get a check for the questionable one. This one includes them getting checks that's why the amendment says no "future stimulus will go to undocuments."


"The new payments would go to adult dependents that were left out of the earlier rounds, like some children over the age of 17. It would also include households with mixed immigration status, after the first round of $1,200 checks left out the spouses of undocumented immigrants who do not have Social Security Numbers. "


From this link: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/14/polit...lus/index.html
What part of that CNN article leads you to think that undocumented immigrants will get stimulus payments? It quite clearly says that the spouses of undocumented immigrants will get stimulus, after being left out in the first round.

To clarify, Person A is an American citizen, and they marry Person B who is undocumented. In the first rounds, neither person received stimulus. Under the current rules, A will get stimulus, B will not, because B is undocumented and not eligible.

So all that is happening is that Americans with legitimate social security numbers are getting stimulus checks. Do you have a problem with that?
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Old 02-05-2021, 04:19 PM
 
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So the illegals would have gotten the check because they have submitted taxes to the IRS -- who took them willingly and knowingly from employers who remitted those taxes -- knowingly.

I do think you folks are outraged at the wrong people.

How about that Republican farmer that claimed he didn't know he had hired an illegal -- hell yes he knew. And so did all his friends, all the people in Washington.

You know they didn't do a raid on his farm even after he was found to be harboring a violent criminal.

Y'all are hypocrites.
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Old 02-05-2021, 04:26 PM
 
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Sure, pick a word, any word, and extrapolate it to secure the foundation for any argument. How convenient to ignore the rest of the document where that word seldom if ever appears. Additionally, read , study and think about what the overall intentions of the Framers were. It was certainly not to create and maintain an open door , free for all for the inhabitants of the world to show up on our doorstep and be catered to.
Up until about 40 years ago the US did have a relatively open immigration policy. A bit racist at times, but the concept did err on the side of let lots of people in. You are taking your own biases and asserting that the composers of the constitution would have agreed with you, but you have nothing to support that assertion.

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I suppose next Democrats will try to convince everyone that WE the People refers to just about anyone else in the world who wants to participate in the greatest civilization , the longest standing democracy in the history of the world. Dems want to try their hardest to convince everyone that the overwhelming success of America is ...oh so wrong. A failure. There are “ groups “ that are just not making it. Almost a new one everyday , or a new collection of alphabet letters .
None of this makes sense. I am a democrat, and I do not try at all to convince people that the success of America is wrong.

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Democrats are all about groups. Identity Politics.
That is politics. Go back to the era when the Republicans prided themselves upon being a "big tent" party. That was identity politics. How about courting evangelicals? That is identity politics. Stop whining about groups, because everybody identifies with groups.

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They are ready to walk all over the rights of individuals, which is clear in regards in their support of Transgenders as a GROUP vs the individual rights of a girl or woman. Without “ groups’ for their media enablers to support and circle the wagons, they don;t have a leg to stand on. By collectively identifying “ groups “ of illegals, it becomes easier to extend policies ,favor, money and services when a collective guilt for their plight is imposed on the populace. Dems work hard at that .

Your defense appears to be a personal insult. Par for the course.Think more, assume less.
Hmm. You see some sort of assault on the rights of individuals, I see democrats defending the rights of individuals. You want to be able to discriminate against LGBT individuals, I want the law to protect them.

You are ranting in stereotypes, without providing any supporting evidence for your attacks. If you look at the facts, you will see that democratic policies are more supportive of individuals than republican policies.
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Old 02-05-2021, 04:37 PM
 
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What part of that CNN article leads you to think that undocumented immigrants will get stimulus payments? It quite clearly says that the spouses of undocumented immigrants will get stimulus, after being left out in the first round.

To clarify, Person A is an American citizen, and they marry Person B who is undocumented. In the first rounds, neither person received stimulus. Under the current rules, A will get stimulus, B will not, because B is undocumented and not eligible.

So all that is happening is that Americans with legitimate social security numbers are getting stimulus checks. Do you have a problem with that?
No such thing as an undocumented in our immigration law lingo. They are illegal aliens.
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Old 02-05-2021, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Illegal aliens aren't plain ole immigrants they are not here legally and their net cost after any taxes they pay is over $100 billion a year.
Always in there was that prevarication.

And for the readers the truth from Cato...

https://www.cato.org/blog/fairs-fisc...fatally-flawed
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Old 02-05-2021, 04:45 PM
 
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the cost is very hard to determine because its all shadowy stuff...i don't belittle any person for wanting to better themselves....if nobody would hire them they would not come so willingly quit blaming powerless people
Shadowy stuff? Um no, I have provided a link proving it many times. No one has a right to better themselves by breaking laws and taking from others what doesn't belong to them. No one forces them to take jobs that they aren't lawfully entitled to either. They know they are breaking the law by jumping our border illegally to. Most are guilty of felony ID theft and/or tax evasion to. Powerless people? Is that what you call lawbreakers these days? Both those who hire them and the illegals themselves are equally guilty of breaking the law and both should be held accountable. There is no innocent party here.
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Old 02-05-2021, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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The correct way that headline should have been written.......

42 socialist democrats vote in favor of taxpayers making payments through the incompetent government bureaucracy to illegal aliens.
Untrue. They voted against a nonsense proposal that would prevent that which no on proposed to do.

Whole thing is Republican garbage.
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Old 02-05-2021, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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It's in Biden's $1.9 trillion stimulus package. Last round, mixed families with questionable status did not get a check for the questionable one. This one includes them getting checks that's why the amendment says no "future stimulus will go to undocuments."


"The new payments would go to adult dependents that were left out of the earlier rounds, like some children over the age of 17. It would also include households with mixed immigration status, after the first round of $1,200 checks left out the spouses of undocumented immigrants who do not have Social Security Numbers. "


From this link: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/14/polit...lus/index.html
Nope the illegal aliens do not have an SS number which is needed to get the stimulus. Simple as that.
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Old 02-05-2021, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Another example of democrats saying American taxpayers be DAMNED

42 Senate Democrats vote in favor of government payments to illegal immigrants

Senate Democrats on Thursday night indicated they supported sending direct payments to undocumented immigrants as the chamber waded through a lengthy process necessary to advance budget reconciliation measures.

During what has become known as a vote-a-rama, which follows debate on a budget resolution measure, senators can bring forward germane, but nonbinding, amendments that must be disposed of before the majority party can move forward with their resolution.


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen...gal-immigrants
Disgusting. I didn’t qualify for stimulus based on my 2019 income, so will have to WAIT to get the stim when I file 2020 taxes. These ppl are not even citizens or residents and get treated better than native taxpayers.
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