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Old 02-06-2021, 10:11 AM
 
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The fraud in this election was committed by the Trump forces. They attempted to steal the election by spreading lies and fabricated stories.
Never. There was no disinformation from the Trump campaign. Absolutely none.
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Old 02-06-2021, 10:12 AM
 
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What word should they have used to indicate the election was mad more secure? That is what the article is about, after all. Fortify seems to be accurate.
No, the article was about getting "the proper outcome".

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“Every attempt to interfere with the proper outcome of the election was defeated,” says Ian Bassin, co-founder of Protect Democracy, a nonpartisan rule-of-law advocacy group.
Of course, the ONLY efforts to interfere with the proper outcome came from him and his allies. This article is the ultimate in gaslighting.

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Old 02-06-2021, 10:22 AM
 
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There was no voter fraud.
That is utterly impossible. Stop the insanity. Over 150 million votes without any fraud?
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Old 02-06-2021, 10:23 AM
 
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Confessing to what? That there was a large coalition working to ensure a free and fair election?
There was no conceivable unfreeness or unfairness to be addressed.


The way to make an election NOT free is to allow mail-in voting, which destroys the assurance of a secret ballot. Instead, it opens people up to pressure and intimidation from spouse and others to vote the right way (in addition to facilitating the purchase of votes and other evils).

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Old 02-06-2021, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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This is the actual point of the Time article.

"The handshake between business and labor was just one component of a vast, cross-partisan campaign to protect the election–an extraordinary shadow effort dedicated not to winning the vote but to ensuring it would be free and fair, credible and uncorrupted. For more than a year, a loosely organized coalition of operatives scrambled to shore up America’s institutions as they came under simultaneous attack from a remorseless pandemic and an autocratically inclined President."

That quotation was taken from the article.

The article goes on to say that this effort was taken outside the Biden campaign and was bi-partisan, non-partisan, and crossed ideological lines. Major contributions came from conservatives.

All sides except for Trump and his bunch wanted the election to be ironclad fair and uncorrupted.
That was more important than who won or lost in many participant's minds.

The article stated that by 2019, it was evident. to some professional political observers that Trump meant to subvert the election if he didn't win.
One of these guys wrote a memo that was widely disseminated to donors, campaign managers, and other citizens who were very interested in seeing that the 2020 election results were going to be transparent, fair, and above any possible challenge to the contrary.
The memo anticipated Trump would reject any unfavorable results to him as being 'rigged' and/or 'faked' , and that he would use his own right-wing information system to establish his narrative.
It actually listed the 4 different methods Trump used later. The author anticipated everything Trump attempted quite accurately.
-attacks on voters
-attacks on election administration
-attacks on his political opponents
-efforts to reverse the election results

All a year in advance of the election. Others predicted the same things would happen by that time as well.

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Old 02-06-2021, 10:47 AM
 
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What's your point, Mike? There was no "autocratically inclined" President. That quote means these conspirators were deranged and suggested they felt justified in in preventing Trump's re-election by any means necessary.
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Old 02-06-2021, 10:51 AM
 
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Yes, the election was fortified against the actions everyone knew Trump would take to suppress votes. 'Fortifying the election' means allowing as many people as possible to legally vote.

The more people who vote, the more blue votes are cast is what we see right now. The right tried to prevent people from voting, the left tried to protect people's right to vote.
You mean the more illegal blue votes are cast. Allowing votes where NOTHING is verified is illegal and just plain corrupt, and erodes trust in the system. This is what democrats did.
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Old 02-06-2021, 10:53 AM
 
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Yes, the election was fortified against the actions everyone knew Trump would take to suppress votes.
No one "knew" that. No sane person ever even imagined something so preposterous. In fact, such a thing would be impossible. Seriously, that's lunacy.
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Old 02-06-2021, 10:53 AM
 
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This is the actual point of the Time article.

"The handshake between business and labor was just one component of a vast, cross-partisan campaign to protect the election–an extraordinary shadow effort dedicated not to winning the vote but to ensuring it would be free and fair, credible and uncorrupted. For more than a year, a loosely organized coalition of operatives scrambled to shore up America’s institutions as they came under simultaneous attack from a remorseless pandemic and an autocratically inclined President."

That quotation was taken from the article.

The article goes on to say that this effort was taken outside the Biden campaign and was bi-partisan, non-partisan, and crossed ideological lines. Major contributions came from conservatives.

All sides except for Trump and his bunch wanted the election to be ironclad fair and uncorrupted.
That was more important than who won or lost in many participant's minds.
This is just more ministry of truth propaganda. You had states illegally changing how mail in votes would be handled. States were nothing on the vote was verified. Talk about open to corruption.
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Old 02-06-2021, 10:55 AM
 
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You mean the more illegal blue votes are cast. Allowing votes where NOTHING is verified is illegal and just plain corrupt, and erodes trust in the system. This is what democrats did.
Please give me the index numbers of the court cases that showed illegal votes were cast. I want to deal in facts, not speculation. Thanks in advance.

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No one "knew" that. No sane person ever even imagined something so preposterous. In fact, such a thing would be impossible. Seriously, that's lunacy.
Trump was talking about potential fraud by mail in voting months before the election, in spite of it being used for a long time without fraud. Yes, everyone knew he was drumming up discord and doubt in case he legally lost. That was a common talking point for months. It's a common tactic of his. When The Apprentice didn't win an Emmy, he said similar things about how he was 'cheated' instead of admitting defeat.

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