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Old 02-07-2021, 07:23 PM
 
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Support for Socialism in America Sinks Like a Stone After 2020 Election, Hits Lowest Level in Years According to New Study

Think the 2020 election got us one step closer to socialism in the United States? Think again, according to a new post-election survey.In a Wednesday news release, the Cultural Research Center at Arizona Christian University revealed only 32 percent of American adults said they preferred socialism to capitalism in the aftermath …

https://populist.press/support-socia...ing-new-study/
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Old 02-07-2021, 07:25 PM
 
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Ill believe when I see people calling for the abolishment of govt education, medicare, social security...
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Old 02-07-2021, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Ill believe when I see people calling for the abolishment of govt education, medicare, social security...
That's not socialism. People Pay Into them like an investment and insurance which are Capitalist concepts.
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Old 02-07-2021, 07:48 PM
 
Location: The Sunshine State of Mind
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32 percent of American adults said they preferred socialism to capitalism
This number is alarming. Anything above 5% is a concern.
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Old 02-07-2021, 07:50 PM
 
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That's not socialism. People Pay Into them like an investment and insurance which are Capitalist concepts.
Yeah, it should be more as a insurance policy. There IF YOU NEED IT IN RETIREMENT. I you become independenly wealthy enough in investments etc.... You do not collect it like insurance.

I payed a lifetime into my home insurance .... never collected and hope I never have to. I did for my car and only collected once ... it was when my car was totaled while parked. But going a lifetime of paying into it .... what I collected was a fraction of all them years paying.

Also, like for decades ..... Social Security and number was called Socialism. Now it is not. We change things as they fit our political claims.

Title: Letter: Don’t like socialism? Send back that Social Security check

https://www-stltoday-com.cdn.ampproj...306433fbd.html

From the link.
- By definition, socialism is an economic and political system by which the means of making, moving and trading wealth should be owned or controlled by the workers.
- Here is a sampling of American socialist policies:
Medicare and Medicaid,
Social Security,
business and farm subsidies,
school lunch programs,
federal student loans,
public defenders,
roads and bridges,
the U.S. Postal Service,
veterans health care,
police and fire departments,
prisons,
public transportation,
museums,
housing,
libraries,
food stamps,
welfare,
courts and disability insurance.

- As taxpayers of this country, we are paying for these social services that benefit everybody.

Social security and Medicare are listed as Insurance. They are FORCED from paychecks as forms of taxes are ... making it Socialist anyway....

Last edited by NoHyping; 02-07-2021 at 07:58 PM..
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Old 02-07-2021, 07:54 PM
 
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Yeah, it should be more as a insurance policy. There IF YOU NEED IT IN RETIREMENT. I you become independenly wealthy enough in investments etc.... You do not collect it like insurance.

I payed a lifetime into my home insurance .... never collected and hope I never have to. I did for my car and only collected once ... it was when my car was totaled while parked. But going a lifetime of paying into it .... what I collected was a fraction of all them years paying.

Also, like for decades ..... Social Security and number was called Socialism. Now it is not. We change things as they fit our political claims.

Title: Letter: Don’t like socialism? Send back that Social Security check

https://www-stltoday-com.cdn.ampproj...306433fbd.html

From the link.
- By definition, socialism is an economic and political system by which the means of making, moving and trading wealth should be owned or controlled by the workers.
- Here is a sampling of American socialist policies:
Medicare and Medicaid,
Social Security,
business and farm subsidies,
school lunch programs,
federal student loans,
public defenders,
roads and bridges,
the U.S. Postal Service,
veterans health care,
police and fire departments,
prisons,
public transportation,
museums,
housing,
libraries,
food stamps,
welfare,
courts and disability insurance.

- As taxpayers of this country, we are paying for these social services that benefit everybody.




Which of these is owned and controlled by the workers?
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Old 02-07-2021, 07:57 PM
 
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Which of these is owned and controlled by the workers?
Which is not forced from your paycheck as insurance or a tax?

Which is not collected a WAGE for money? A worker collects a wage. Investments of your wealth to gain more wealth gains no wage for forced SS from a paycheck....

Last edited by NoHyping; 02-07-2021 at 08:13 PM..
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Old 02-07-2021, 08:01 PM
 
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Originally Posted by NoHyping View Post
Yeah, it should be more as a insurance policy. There IF YOU NEED IT IN RETIREMENT. I you become independenly wealthy enough in investments etc.... You do not collect it like insurance.

I payed a lifetime into my home insurance .... never collected and hope I never have to. I did for my car and only collected once ... it was when my car was totaled while parked. But going a lifetime of paying into it .... what I collected was a fraction of all them years paying.

Also, like for decades ..... Social Security and number was called Socialism. Now it is not. We change things as they fit our political claims.

Title: Letter: Don’t like socialism? Send back that Social Security check

https://www-stltoday-com.cdn.ampproj...306433fbd.html

From the link.
- By definition, socialism is an economic and political system by which the means of making, moving and trading wealth should be owned or controlled by the workers.
- Here is a sampling of American socialist policies:
Medicare and Medicaid,
Social Security,
business and farm subsidies,
school lunch programs,
federal student loans,
public defenders,
roads and bridges,
the U.S. Postal Service,
veterans health care,
police and fire departments,
prisons,
public transportation,
museums,
housing,
libraries,
landfills, parks,
beaches,
food stamps,
welfare,
courts and disability insurance.

- As taxpayers of this country, we are paying for these social services that benefit everybody.
Those are social programs & very different than socialism.

Welfare, food stamps, public housing, veterans health care, public defender, fed. student loans, school lunch programs (public schools in general), don't benefit everyone since not everyone partakes in/needs them.

Socialism is a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

Which, with Bernie in the WH, is where we are. Headed straight for communism.
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Old 02-07-2021, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Ill believe when I see people calling for the abolishment of govt education, medicare, social security...
So everybody must be personally responsible for themselves and carry there own weight or else face serious consequences, like hard labor in prison?
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Old 02-07-2021, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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Socialism would be if they confiscated everyone's wealth and redistributed it evenly. It would destroy our civilization. What we have now are social programs which is different. Yes some people abuse the system and can have section 8 and welfare benefits for a decade or more but it's not like they are living the high life with this sort of lifestyle... usually they are barely scrapping by as it should be. Social safety nets shouldn't take the welfare parasites and give them the same standard of living as a middle class worker. People on welfare shouldn't be owning houses and taking vacations and buying new cars... social safety nets should give people the bare minimum which is what they do.

People hear about paying off college debts and giving people with kids $3000 per kid and it leaves a sour taste in their mouth. These are vote buying schemes and not necessary at all. You made the choice to have kids. You made the choice to go to college. The mixed capitalist system we have works. I fully expect them to wipe out student loan debt whether we like it or not. I've said it before... I would let them file bankruptcy on the debt if they want, I wouldn't wipe it clean. They should have their credit destroyed if they have to file bankruptcy because of bad life choices. That would be fine by me. It would wipe their college debt clean while also destroying their credit. A better use of operant conditioning then just rewarding them by wiping the debt clean.
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