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In the US death rates are trending down. Cases have been down for a month now. Deaths lag cases by several weeks due to how they are reported.
Was speaking about the UK.
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Originally Posted by Oklazona Bound
It does not mean the likely hood of an average person getting covid has actually gone down. It means high risk elderly and ill people are not contracting it because they have the vaccine. So the numbers look much better.
So even though in the UK, the January and early February deaths are much higher than in December that means the numbers look good?
You are cherry picking numbers. 932 is the 7 day moving average of deaths in the UK as of now. January 24rd was the peak with a 7 day moving average of 1240. Why try to mislead people?
lol They are not trending down. They are lower than a few days ago but much higher than in December. I have repeated that over and over and over again. Odd that you refuse to address that fact.
yea, take a class on how to read and understand a graph.
Lol, yes, they are. You should definitely do that.
Yes, they are higher than December.
UK, positive cases:
Early December: about 15k per day (7 day average)
Mid December: about 20k per day
Early January: about 60k per day
Still not obvious? When you get highly contagious variant, you get many more infections. Deaths are proportional to cases. And there is a lag.
The problem isn’t the short term with the vaccine. It’s what it’s going to do to you. long term. If you’re healthy with a good immune system why risk it. Not one Longtitudinal study done. If you’re at risk ok it’s worth it most likely. If you’re not, don’t bother. The “cure” can be worse than The infection in a few years. Or at least a few years to when the studies are done
I agree. But there might never be studies on the long term side effects. If almost everyone gets the vaccine, there will be nothing to compare to. That is probably what the drug companies are counting on. More people getting autoimmune disorders? Well that's just because more people are living longer, thanks to our wonderful drugs.
CDC VAERS tracks vaccine adverse reactions. In the Grant Final Report several years ago it was found that vaccine reporting:
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Likewise, fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported. Low reporting rates preclude or slow the identification of “problem” drugs and vaccines that endanger public health. https://www.nvic.org/CMSTemplates/NV...eport-2011.pdf
So I wanted to check VAERS for reported covid19 vaccine deaths. Using medalerts.org, which gathers data from VAERS and makes it easy to do searches. I found for the two covid-19 vaccines since Dec to today 2.8.21:
Deaths within 3 days:
Found 308 cases where Onset Interval is 0 or 1 or 2 or 3 and Vaccine targets COVID-19 (COVID19) and Patient Died and Vaccination Date from '2020-12-01' to '2021-02-28'
Deaths within 14 days:
Found 428 cases where Onset Interval is 0 or 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 or 8 or 9 or 10 to 14 and Vaccine targets COVID-19 (COVID19) and Patient Died and Vaccination Date from '2020-12-01' to '2021-02-28'
You mean the rapid covid testing? That they are testing a lot more which means more positive cases?
You didn't look deep into it enough.
There was an explosion of positive cases in late December - early January as was already explained to you. At present, the positive daily cases are almost back to the early December levels. Yes, the deaths are still higher, due to the mentioned lag, but clearly dropping. And since it looks like they might be completing vaccinations of the most vulnerable groups in a matter of weeks, the deaths should of course drop further.
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