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Old 02-08-2021, 09:25 AM
 
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics View Post
Perhaps you weren't properly indoctrinated in government propaganda institutions, but denied citizenship is not a disability.

The short version:
IN 1776, it was stated that "ALL MEN" are born equal (before the law) and have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure - not tax, regulate nor trespass. However, those who did consent to be governed (citizens) surrendered those endowed rights, abrogated by mandatory civic duties.

When Negroes / black Americans / African Americans were denied CITIZENSHIP (a privilege, not a right), they were not having their inherent rights violated, but protected. The REAL CURSE was mandatory U.S. citizenship imposed on them, at birth, voiding their Creator endowed rights.
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IN short:
American PEOPLE have Creator endowed rights that the government was instituted to secure.
American CITIZENS have only privileges and immunities, having surrendered their endowments.

Coincidentally, under the republican form of government, wherein "ALL MEN" / People are born equal and have endowed rights, sovereigns without subjects cannot have slaves.

SLAVERY was a revenue taxable privilege under the constitutional indirect democracies, operated by those CITIZENS.

It's sad that after the 1820s, Americans forgot all about their republican form and assumed that all that existed was the democratic form - a most vile form - where a majority can legally persecute a minority. But if that's what you consented to, no harm, no foul.
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CONSENT OF THE CITIZENRY
“ Our theory of government and governmental powers is wholly at variance with that urged by appellant herein. The rights of the individual are not derived from governmental agencies, either municipal, state or federal, or even from the Constitution. They exist inherently in every man, by endowment of the Creator, and are merely reaffirmed in the Constitution, and restricted only to the extent that they have been VOLUNTARILY SURRENDERED BY THE CITIZENSHIP to the agencies of government. The people's rights are not derived from the government, but the government's authority comes from the people. The Constitution but states again these rights already existing, and when legislative encroachment by the nation, state, or municipality invade these original and permanent rights, it is the duty of the courts to so declare, and to afford the necessary relief. The fewer restrictions that surround the individual liberties of the citizen, except those for the preservation of the public health, safety, and morals, the more contented the people and the more successful the democracy.”
- - - City of Dallas v Mitchell, 245 S.W. 944
https://casetext.com/case/city-of-dallas-v-mitchell-1
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The rights of the individual / national / non-citizen / inhabitant / non-resident are not derived from government, but are Creator endowed.
But once consent to be governed is granted, via citizenship, that endowment has been surrendered / waived by the citizenry. Why? Because mandatory civic duties abrogate endowed natural rights, natural and personal liberty, absolute ownership of private property, etc, etc.


Patrick Henry was not mistaken when he said, "I smelled a rat", when asked why he declined to participate in the constitutional convention.
Nonsense. Read the Dred Scott decision. That Black Americans were denied citizenship is common knowledge.

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In March of 1857, the United States Supreme Court, led by Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, declared that all blacks -- slaves as well as free -- were not and could never become citizens of the United States. The court also declared the 1820 Missouri Compromise unconstitutional, thus permiting slavery in all of the country's territories.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4h2933.html

 
Old 02-08-2021, 09:29 AM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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Which is precisely why I'm not watching it, or any other part of the Super Bowl. They can be woke without me.
You didn't miss much. We had it on but I was doing some painting, and just heard some of it. Worst halftime show ever, no good commercials and a crappy blowout game, made worse by Brady winning.
 
Old 02-08-2021, 09:33 AM
 
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You didn't miss much. We had it on but I was doing some painting, and just heard some of it. Worst halftime show ever, no good commercials and a crappy blowout game, made worse by Brady winning.
Brady got caught with a MAGA hat in his locker some years back.


And he's a member of the ONE class of people that have sanctioned racial hatred tossed at them every second of every day in America today: white male.


He is the BEST thing to happen in/to the NFL in recent memory and it's not even close. LOVE that he is known as the greatest of all time in a sport now dominated by blacks.
 
Old 02-08-2021, 09:35 AM
 
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Lift Every Voice and Sing IS American culture. This country needs to accept that its history has both positives and negatives. At the time, Americans of African descent were denied citizenship and so the song is written. Anyone who has endured any difficulties in life can identify with the song, as can anyone whose people had a difficult road.
You are talking about a song that is American culture. I am talking about a country that has one culture. Until we forgo race-based cultures and have a single culture, America will always have racial problems.
 
Old 02-08-2021, 09:42 AM
 
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You are talking about a song that is American culture. I am talking about a country that has one culture. Until we forgo race-based cultures and have a single culture, America will always have racial problems.
Yes, that song is the subject of this thread so my post is simply stating that it is an American song. Everyone should celebrate have far we have all come since that time. The words to the song are neutral as it’s the actual title. It’s a hymn like any other that was born out of a dark, difficult period.

I completely agree with you about forgoing race. Race needs to be removed from everything except for our medical records and even there, it should focus on heritage (which is a mixture for many of us).
 
Old 02-08-2021, 09:47 AM
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You ever see the Bell Curve?


Speaking of welfare, minorities in my state (MN) are 15% of the population, but use 50% of all our welfare. BUT!!!!...we get DIVERSITY!!! It's ALLLL worth it!
You guys love the Bell Curve and that BS by Carlton Putnam. Its not a big deal that black people are on welfare. What is a big deal is most of the people on welfare are white. Haven't white people been in the United States as free people with every opportunity afforded them for 400 years? Yet many are still criminals and in poverty. If they can't do it why such high expectations for an oppressed once enslaved minority group? The way this thread has meandered ( as usual) to a black bashing thread is precisely why black people just want to be left alone to kneel quietly and sing a song about hope once a year.
 
Old 02-08-2021, 09:49 AM
 
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You guys love the Bell Curve and that BS by Carlton Putnam. Its not a big deal that black people are on welfare. What is a big deal is most of the people on welfare are white. Haven't white people been in the United States as free people with every opportunity afforded them for 400 years? Yet many are still criminals and in poverty. If they can't do it why such high expectations for an oppressed once enslaved minority group?
15% of MN is "minority" (non-white) yet they suck up 50% of all our welfare.


I'm wager the rest of the nation has similar to identical statistics.


Those stats don't play into your argument.
 
Old 02-08-2021, 09:54 AM
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15% of MN is "minority" (non-white) yet they suck up 50% of all our welfare.


I'm wager the rest of the nation has similar to identical statistics.


Those stats don't play into your argument.
Because black people have been kept land poor. I know white people in the North woods who are land rich but money poor and they are doing fine.
 
Old 02-08-2021, 09:56 AM
 
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Nonsense. Read the Dred Scott decision. That Black Americans were denied citizenship is common knowledge.
And why would they want citizenship? Unless someone failed to tell them that they already had SUPERIOR STATUS AT LAW (SOVEREIGNTY).


Citizenship IS a privilege, not a right. And the government (servant) certainly can deny privileges and membership as it sees fit. That's not a disability.


Think of it this way - the sovereign People (who have endowed rights) are passengers on a galley.
The citizens are galley slaves - by their consent to be governed.
Is it a travesty to refuse to allow passengers to volunteer to be galley slaves?
. . .
". . . at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the [American] people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . ."
- - - Justice John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremec...CR_0002_0419_Z
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"... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "SUBJECT" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
- - - State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)

SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425
(Note: there is only one country with a "republican form" of government)



A sovereign American cannot be a citizen / subject owing allegiance to a sovereign.

There is no such thing as a Sovereign Citizen - that is an oxymoron.
 
Old 02-08-2021, 09:59 AM
 
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You guys love the Bell Curve and that BS by Carlton Putnam. Its not a big deal that black people are on welfare. What is a big deal is most of the people on welfare are white. Haven't white people been in the United States as free people with every opportunity afforded them for 400 years? Yet many are still criminals and in poverty. If they can't do it why such high expectations for an oppressed once enslaved minority group? The way this thread has meandered ( as usual) to a black bashing thread is precisely why black people just want to be left alone to kneel quietly and sing a song about hope once a year.
So which angle are you taking here? Poor white people are pathetic because they stay on welfare for generations? What does that say about people who are given favorable admissions to colleges and favortism in hiring yet still can't pull themselves out of poverty?

It's really a stupid game to play and not productive.

When you start out poor it is harder to succeed in the US. That's a given. It isn't impossible, but it's harder. It used to be that when you were poor and black, it was a lot harder, but these days, if you are a black person who finishes school and doesn't commit crimes and are average to above average intelligence, there is nothing holding you back in this country. The opportunities are there. The crime and finishing school part are the vast majority of the problem, not racist cops, or racist HR departments, or racist college admissions offices.

And it seems that's exactly why this current woke movement is so committed and so dedicated...it HAS to maintain the victim narrative or it loses it's political power. But that motivation doesn't help most black people, it only helps the people pushing this narrative and profiting from it.
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