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It is time to reign in the use of Executive Orders, that's for sure. Obama and Trump relied on them way too much and it looks like Boden is trying to follow in their footsteps. EOs are oversused, and they need to be brought back to the appropriate use of them, regardless of their topic.
So far bidens used them to mostly undo Trump era things. Live by the EO, die by the EO. I agree though, Obama abused them with DACA, and Trump...went wild with them. But they are not how you drive change. You drive real change through the house and senate.
Its not the number of EO's either, its the type. EO's naming a post office? Sure. EO's clarifying congressional directives? Sure....but carefully. EO's creating fake emergencies in order to bypass congress and fund a border wall that will never actually be completed? Or creating something like DACA? Not so much.
While I agree with DACA in principle for example, and while others agree with the wall nonsense, it needed to go through congress.
LOL the donations were always to combat some extreme con spiracy like the UN was going to take our guns, or the Dems were coming for our hand guns.
I remember when the NRA was about Gun safety and was semi-sane.
You're right. They used to emphasize gun safety, responsible gun ownership, and penalties for people using guns for criminal activities until they got hijacked by the fringe right-wing decades ago.
It is time to reign in the use of Executive Orders, that's for sure. Obama and Trump relied on them way too much and it looks like Boden is trying to follow in their footsteps. EOs are oversused, and they need to be brought back to the appropriate use of them, regardless of their topic.
^^^ This. Executive orders have NO place as to public policy. Mayor, governor or president, no one individual should be making decrees that apply to we the people. I have no respect nor intent to comply with ANY "executive order" from any executive. Executive order is not law. And law enforcement certainly should not even be thinking about enforcing executive decree.
There's a word for that. It's called dictatorship. Now, that being said Trumps executive orders as to enforcement of immigration policy on the Southern border is an example of proper use of executive authority in enforcement policy. Illegal border crossers are NOT citizens of the US. ICE and the USBP are federal officers under command of the president. Border security is one place executive decree is permissible.
But firearms ownership by US citizens is neither a permissable nor even remotely Constitutional place for application of executive authority. Because that authority does not exist. CrowGirl is very correct. Executive power needs to be reined in hard. That horses head needs pulled around into the stirrups.
^^^ This. Executive orders have NO place as to public policy. Mayor, governor or president, no one individual should be making decrees that apply to we the people. I have no respect nor intent to comply with ANY "executive order" from any executive. Executive order is not law. And law enforcement certainly should not even be thinking about enforcing executive decree.
There's a word for that. It's called dictatorship. Now, that being said Trumps executive orders as to enforcement of immigration policy on the Southern border is an example of proper use of executive authority in enforcement policy. Illegal border crossers are NOT citizens of the US. ICE and the USBP are federal officers under command of the president. Border security is one place executive decree is permissible.
But firearms ownership by US citizens is neither a permissable nor even remotely Constitutional place for application of executive authority. Because that authority does not exist. CrowGirl is very correct. Executive power needs to be reined in hard. That horses head needs pulled around into the stirrups.
So EO's are OK if they align with your ideology but not OK otherwise? Personally I am fine with EO's no longer happening. But both sides are fine with EO's when it fits their ideology and not going to end it when they are in power.
There are some checks and balances on EO's. Congress can step in and say no and so can the federal courts. The DEMS have congress so that won't work. So if Biden goes too far with Second Amendment EO's it will go to the SCOTUS and hopefully be shot down. We have a country now that is run by EO's. Little gets done in congress and its up to the courts to decide what stands. Trump did many things wrong but the SCOTUS is one good thing he did.
Man the NRA was such a disappointment. And they used to do actual good work, I took some NRA classes when I was a teenager. They turned into scam group that used money to enrich themselves. To a obscene degree. A sad end for a group that could have been a force for good.
So EO's are OK if they align with your ideology but not OK otherwise? Personally I am fine with EO's no longer happening. But both sides are fine with EO's when it fits their ideology and not going to end it when they are in power.
There are some checks and balances on EO's. Congress can step in and say no and so can the federal courts. The DEMS have congress so that won't work. So if Biden goes too far with Second Amendment EO's it will go to the SCOTUS and hopefully be shot down. We have a country now that is run by EO's. Little gets done in congress and its up to the courts to decide what stands. Trump did many things wrong but the SCOTUS is one good thing he did.
My "ideology" has nothing to do with this. I merely gave an example where executive order is actually proper. And the example I gave is of existing law being enforced applied to foreign nationals attempting to cross into the US by illegal means. That is an example of presidential executive authority acting as Commander in Chief in the interests of national security threatened by foreign nationals.
Not a dictatorial decree attacking the rights of US CITIZENS, in defiance of our Constitution. That is an ideologically driven agenda, in violation of existing law acting against US citizens. Not enforcement of existing law to stop illegal encroachment on our border by foreign nationals. I thought I was clear in the distinction. And it was not my intent to make any pro Trump statement of ideology. Just an example of proper use of authority as CoC.
Interesting, a group standing up to Slow Joe’s leftist agenda.....More power to them.
Second Amendment Foundation Vows To Sue Over Biden EOs
We don’t know specifically what they’re going to look like, but we know that Joe Biden’s first executive orders on firearms coming, perhaps in just a matter of a week or two. Gun rights organizations are getting out in front of the impending attack on the right to keep and bear arms with a pledge to litigate any executive action that treads on Second Amendment territory.
This will go nowhere. Law does no longer apply in this country.
Possible outcomes:
1. No lawsuit will be filed at all, as some or all head officers will get calls from FBI/CIA/NSA with "recommendations" to shut up or else.
2. If SAF officials turn out to be too stubborn/naive/brave, the next step will be that all out of sudden they will be charged with imaginary crimes - ranging from tax evasion to treason, like quite a few naive truth fighters before them.
3. If, because of some oversight, lawsuit will still make it to the court, it'll be dismissed immediately for gazillion reasons - judges are people too, they have families, and plenty of pain points FBI/CIA/NSA can press.
Oh, and of course mass disinformation media will put piles of dirt lies onto SAF during the whole process.
Let me get this straight...the '2nd Amendment foundation' threatens to sue over Govt executive orders (relating to infringing upon the rights of American citizens)...?!!! LOL
I do not think 'suing them in court' was what the founders had in mind, should the Govt ever attempt to infringe upon our rights!!! LOL
American citizens taking up arms, is to be used to stop such a thing!!! DUH!
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