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Having heard from both sides of the fence it is clear that the
majority are in unison and in support of a party far removed from
the ones they belong to now.
Many years ago I have had enough of both
major parties and switched Conservative.
Upon hearing of a possible Third " Patriot " Party being
established I thought about the hazards of breaking
up the GOP and further empowering their Democratic rivals.
With 74 million disenfranchised but loyal Trump supporters there is a
strong possibility that it may in addition free many other voters who
may have not liked the man but appreciated his fulfillment of promises.
Compared to the mud slinging enjoyed by both Democrats and Republicans
a hop on board of this possibly newly founded political establishment is not
to be underestimated.
Chances of winning elections may be just ripe for the taking and not so far fetched.
I welcome a much needed breath of fresh air in this Country.
What say You?
If the democrats control the voting machines and can determine the outcome of any elections of consequence, what is the purpose of a political party or votes for that party?
As long as the fraud of the 2020 election is allowed to stand, we have no voting rights and thus no self determination.
If we can institute automatic runoffs in all elections, then third parties would be fine. For example imagine the following:
Democrat Candidate gets 40% of the vote.
Republican Candidate gets 38% of the vote.
Libertarian Candidate gets 20% of the vote.
Green Party Candidate gets 2% of the vote.
Typically, this would hand victory to the Democrat, but is that truly the will of the people here?? Automatic runoff means that if nobody got the majority, then you take the top two and redo the election with only them on the ballot. Realistically, that probably comes out something like this:
Democrat Candidate gets 47% (5% of the Libertarian vote and all of the Green Party)
Republican gets 53% of the vote (15% of the Libertarian vote.)
So with an automatic runoff, the will of the people is ensured, even if you have 20 parties pulling a significant portion of the vote.
I think the Republican Party will have to revamp itself as more Libertarian and distance from Trump and they have a good chance of winning, esp if we go into recession and have crime issues all term. If Covid restrictions drag on for years, even moreso.
If we can institute automatic runoffs in all elections, then third parties would be fine. For example imagine the following:
Democrat Candidate gets 40% of the vote.
Republican Candidate gets 38% of the vote.
Libertarian Candidate gets 20% of the vote.
Green Party Candidate gets 2% of the vote.
Typically, this would hand victory to the Democrat, but is that truly the will of the people here?? Automatic runoff means that if nobody got the majority, then you take the top two and redo the election with only them on the ballot. Realistically, that probably comes out something like this:
Democrat Candidate gets 47% (5% of the Libertarian vote and all of the Green Party)
Republican gets 53% of the vote (15% of the Libertarian vote.)
So with an automatic runoff, the will of the people is ensured, even if you have 20 parties pulling a significant portion of the vote.
If we can institute automatic runoffs in all elections, then third parties would be fine. For example imagine the following:
Democrat Candidate gets 40% of the vote.
Republican Candidate gets 38% of the vote.
Libertarian Candidate gets 20% of the vote.
Green Party Candidate gets 2% of the vote.
Typically, this would hand victory to the Democrat, but is that truly the will of the people here?? Automatic runoff means that if nobody got the majority, then you take the top two and redo the election with only them on the ballot. Realistically, that probably comes out something like this:
Democrat Candidate gets 47% (5% of the Libertarian vote and all of the Green Party)
Republican gets 53% of the vote (15% of the Libertarian vote.)
So with an automatic runoff, the will of the people is ensured, even if you have 20 parties pulling a significant portion of the vote.
Automatic run-offs would have to be constitutional to institute nationally. The problem is the majority is whichever candidate has the most votes except when you talk the 50% like Georgia has or the Jungle primary Louisiana has.
For example let's take Arizona. In 2016, Trump won Arizona 48.08% of the popular vote to Hillary Clinton's 44.58%. Libertarian candidate Johnson got 3.5% of the popular vote, Green candidate Stein got 1.22% and Evan McMullin got 0.67% of the popular vote as an independent. Under the traditional election Trump had a majority by 3.5% despite not having 50%. Compare that to 2020 where Biden and Trump both grew to 49.36% for Biden and 49.06% for Trump. Jo Jorgensen of the Libertarian Party shrunk the Johnson 4.08% to 1.52% of the popular vote. Plain and simple, Jorgensen was a horrible Libertarian candidate in a year that arguably the Libertarian Party should have grown its footprint considering its rise in vote totals from 2004...
Now would you want Trump to win in 2016 because he had a 3.5% differential but not a 50.00001% total vote? I know it is easy to say that for the 0.3% of the vote Biden won by, but Trump still didn't win Arizona with more than 50% of the vote...
I think the system as works. That said I think the bigger issues for third party is campaign financing (including 501(c)s) and the 270 to win threshold. If we went to a popular vote only, maybe just maybe a libertarian or green candidate focuses on metro areas and appeal to those voters enough. I know, not popular, but the existing method of swing states really is the other side of the same coin.
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