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Old 02-17-2021, 07:50 PM
 
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It’s always the same thing. It’s Whitey’s fault. Zero accountability. If El Salvador wanted to clean up their country, they could do it. But since it is too uncomfortable to fight the corruption, let’s all blame whitey. It’s easier that way.
Why is no one blaming countries like Sweden or Austria? Because they don't have a neo conservative government that actively interferes with other countries affairs.
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Old 02-17-2021, 07:59 PM
 
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What "current migrant crisis"?

Trump is no longer in office, so you can forget about phony state of emergency declarations.
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Old 02-17-2021, 08:05 PM
 
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If you don't like refuges coming to your country, then your country should stop creating the conditions which result in the migrants fleeing their homeland in the first place.
A country is a piece of land. And very few of the people living in this country had anything to do with creating those conditions. And those of us who didn't have the right and duty to keep these people out.
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Old 02-17-2021, 09:52 PM
 
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A country is a piece of land. And very few of the people living in this country had anything to do with creating those conditions. And those of us who didn't have the right and duty to keep these people out.
Those elected officials and the CIA help create the hell in those countries such as the fight against communism during the cold war, the drug war, backing of right wing dictators, overthrowing democratic elected regimes. Implementing unfair trade policies with the poor famers, so they can not compete against the US based companies.
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Old 02-17-2021, 10:32 PM
 
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The citizens of America are not responsible for what the CIA did, or what government “leaders” decided to do, but the citizens of America will pay for every illegal person who enters our country? I don’t think so. Sorry, but every country has the right to protect its borders. American taxpayers aren’t responsible for what the CIA did.
We have immigration laws. Obey them.
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Old 02-17-2021, 11:06 PM
 
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The reason, why there has been a constant stream of migrants flooding the US, was due to the hell the US help with their interventions in Central America.

If you don't like refuges coming to your country, then your country should stop creating the conditions which result in the migrants fleeing their homeland in the first place.

The United States has intervened with military forces 12 times in Latin America in this century. Many of these invasions were led by Brigadier General Smedley Butler. In his memoirs “1933,” he says: “I helped make Mexico safe for American Oil interests. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place. For the National City Bank, boys to collect revenue in. I helped pacify Nicaragua for the international banking House of Brown Brothers. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests. I helped make Honduras right for American fruit companies.”https://theintercept.com/2018/11/28/...ntral-america/

That was declared in the 1930s, not much has changed since then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybs3Zn086a0[/url] What's Causing the Central American Migration Crisis?


Back in the 1980s, Central America was a hot spot. President Reagan used inflated claims about communism triumphing there and creeping across our southern border to justify aiding and arming death squads in El Salvador and backing the right-wing government.

The civil war against left-wing rebels claimed the lives of more than 80,000 people. Many of the murdered were innocent, working-class civilians who supported neither the soldiers nor the guerrillas.

The United States is still a source of instability in El Salvador in two ways.

First, it has deported thousands of inmates who had been imprisoned for gang-related issues. The jails in El Salvador do not have capacity to hold the never-ending numbers of inmates deported by the United States, so now many of these criminals roam the streets.

Second, the demand for illegal drugs in the United States fuels the gangs in El Salvador.

So when Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich recently denounced the Salvadoran MS-13 gang, he was instilling fear but not offering solutions to help El Salvador fight the crime and violence.


How about doing a google search on "The School of the Americas"?

https://progressive.org/op-eds/unite...y-el-salvador/
just looks at all the interference our govt ran in latin america.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United..._Latin_America

coups resulting in political and social instability is our number one export.

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/23/...paganda-works/

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Bolivia is but the latest of a long line of thriving, stable democracies destroyed with the support if not the outright participation of the U.S. government, while jingoistic media figures disseminated the propaganda used to justify it all. And the suffering, violence, repression and tyranny left in its wake are then simply ignored by those who helped bring it about.
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Old 02-17-2021, 11:10 PM
 
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2012 ? Newt's recent run for president?

The US is better than every ****hole south of us. That's why they come here.

Blame it on whatever you want. It matters not.
sup foreign affairs scholar.


you've been awfully quiet since this post.
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Old 02-17-2021, 11:15 PM
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Those elected officials and the CIA help create the hell in those countries such as the fight against communism during the cold war, the drug war, backing of right wing dictators, overthrowing democratic elected regimes. Implementing unfair trade policies with the poor famers, so they can not compete against the US based companies.
Your idea falsely asserts that those countries would not be a current source of migrants if we did not intervene in their commie uprising civil wars 40 years ago... you offered no support for this argument. They simply don't follow laws in those countries and are run by corrupt greedy and sometimes drug trade related people. That is not our fault no matter how much you hate republicans.
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Old 02-17-2021, 11:24 PM
 
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Q- The US has apparently intervened in Central and South America for a long time. How many migrants arrived in the US during the 1930-1965 period? Very few in comparison to our time. In the last decades there’s a tsunami of immigrants, although US intervention in the south is minimal compared to the past. Something unrelated to political intervention has changed. As a matter of fact, Mexico and Guatemala had worse times in the past, but that crisis didn’t trigger major immigration waves as we see today.
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Old 02-18-2021, 12:08 AM
 
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Q- The US has apparently intervened in Central and South America for a long time. How many migrants arrived in the US during the 1930-1965 period? Very few in comparison to our time. In the last decades there’s a tsunami of immigrants, although US intervention in the south is minimal compared to the past. Something unrelated to political intervention has changed. As a matter of fact, Mexico and Guatemala had worse times in the past, but that crisis didn’t trigger major immigration waves as we see today.
Well there was no quotas for the Mexicans entering the US then, as it was thought they were seasonal workers and went to the US to work on the farms and went back home after their work was finished. That changed then there was a civil like war in the US and many fled to the US. Even just before the 1965 era, there were large waves of undoumented Mexicans entering the US, with the encouragement of farmers looking for cheap labor, plus it was a job what Americans in general did not want. For so long Mexican workers were working in the farms most Americans did not want or employed in industries that did not attract many Americans.

The masses of refugees fleeing war to the US in the 1980s and 1990s from Central America has not stopped since the civil wars ended there, but a new cycle of violence evolved with gang related violence.

Yet they are violent societies and a majority of the guns there are originally from the US. BTW the market in the region expanded steadily during former President Barack Obama’s time in office and appears set to increase under President Donald Trump as well, according to customs data collected by the United Nations Comtrade program. United States approved $2 million to $4 million in gun sales per year to Honduras between 2015 and 2017—the impact of such sales can be substantial in a poor country with a small population and a weak or corrupt government.

Some of those guns went to authorities who turned them on innocent civilians, as the 2017 protests show. The guns seen in the photos seem to have been exported by Colt’s Manufacturing, a Connecticut-based gun-maker. The company did not return phone calls seeking comment. Other weapons ended up in the hands of criminals, through illicit deals involving corrupt army officers, according to a 2017 report by two nongovernmental groups that investigate law enforcement and corruption in Latin America.https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/03/08...ntral-america/

All this is happening, and the US still allows the mass sales of arms in very messy countries. Yet it is well known that the US armed Syrian rebels in Syria and a lot of US arms ended up in the hands of terrorists.



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