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I’m pretty sure the proposal does phase it in over time.
I sure one or more of them did, I've seen lots of proposals on the topic.
That would be a key feature. Gives employers extra time to automate and line up illegal subcontractor crews and start firing or forcing out the less able workers.
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All good points.
Target also began raising wages, up to 12 or so now....and getting rid of less effective workers and going with less staff.
$15/hour and you better start thinking really really hard about what the heck you're going to do with the million or so bottom tier poor workers in the US that will become virtually unemployable.
Not to mention, many companies already outsource to subcontractors like Walmarts cleaning crews. Why do that? Well plausible deniability if the crew of illegals ever get caught.
Why should I hire an American worker for $15 when I can get an illegal worker for $12 and pay them cash on the side?
6 million illegals (labor supply) vs. labor demand and what happens to wages? This is econ 101.
Target starts at $15/hr in Phoenix, where the AZ minimum wage is $12/hr
Target also began raising wages, up to 12 or so now....and getting rid of less effective workers and going with less staff.
$15/hour and you better start thinking really really hard about what the heck you're going to do with the million or so bottom tier poor workers in the US that will become virtually unemployable.
Not to mention, many companies already outsource to subcontractors like Walmarts cleaning crews. Why do that? Well plausible deniability if the crew of illegals ever get caught.
Why should I hire an American worker for $15 when I can get an illegal worker for $12 and pay them cash on the side?
6 million illegals (labor supply) vs. labor demand and what happens to wages? This is econ 101.
2 other factors here in play.
1) At 15 bucks you are going to get more higher qualified workers interested in the low tier PT jobs. IE the college educated mom with a newborn might think about it at 15 but not 10. Who would YOU hire? College educated mom or scruffy Sam?
2) At 15 bucks an hour, expectations rise with the quality of applicants.
ten bucks an hour over say four years would likely sail through.
Neither side will give in.
Yeah, unfortunately the hordes of innumerates marching around big cities demanding $15 lack the diversity to know just how much that is in some parts of the country.
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The proposal more than doubles the min. wage and makes no provision for cost of living differentials.
Maybe something a little less drastic and phased in over time?
You wouldn't even get all the D's to go along with this.
Between this and gun control, it's almost like you don't want to have the Senate and are determined to repeat 2010.
**Yay, we got the Senate what should we do first? I know, let's nuke the re-election chances of some of our freshman Senators from rural states! Oh, capital idea!**
P.S. we're not Trump is no longer a viable platform, the D's have some huge policy problems with middle America.
It's only drastic in the south and flyover country.
In AZ, it would only be a 23% increase over current minimum
Target starts at $15/hr in Phoenix, where the AZ minimum wage is $12/hr
Ah cool, I missed that they made the last step up from 11 to 13 to 15. That's what I get from going off memory.
I know this because one of my kids used to work there PT. They noted how the store started firing employees for stuff they let slide before like calling out on short notice, showing up late etc.
ten bucks an hour over say four years would likely sail through.
Neither side will give in.
The majority of states already have higher minimum wages than this and it doesn't seem to be tied to any particular political party. Example South Dakota's minimum wage is $9.45 and nearby Wisconsin's and Iowa's are $7.25. Pays to be a high school student in South Dakota.
Minimum wages really only help high school students. No 25 year old is going to work for anything close to that I would hope unless they have a mental handicap of some sort. By raising the minimum wage to $15 they'd be effectively acknowledging we have much higher inflation rates than the "officlal numbers" suggest ... just because I can still buy a gallon of milk for cheap doesn't mean there hasn't been inflation.
I'd be fine with $10 right now scaling to $15 in 10 years ... the types of businesses that end up closing as a result of a high minimum wage are those mom and pop sandwich shops (that I tend to not frequent anyways because they tend to overcharge as it's the only way they can survive) and other small niche businesses you'd think liberals would want to support.. On the other hand large corporations like McDonalds and Wal-mart can survive these wage increases and many of them already have raised the wages on their own.
Basically you kill small business with high minimum wages. Also they aren't going to pay a high school student $15/hour to bag your groceries so be prepared to bag them yourself or have the cashier do it which means longer lines.
The majority of states already have higher minimum wages than this and it doesn't seem to be tied to any particular political party. Example South Dakota's minimum wage is $9.45 and nearby Wisconsin's and Iowa's are $7.25. Pays to be a high school student in South Dakota.
Minimum wages really only help high school students. No 25 year old is going to work for anything close to that I would hope unless they have a mental handicap of some sort. By raising the minimum wage to $15 they'd be effectively acknowledging we have much higher inflation rates than the "officlal numbers" suggest ... just because I can still buy a gallon of milk for cheap doesn't mean there hasn't been inflation.
I'd be fine with $10 right now scaling to $15 in 10 years (in 10 years a gallon of milk will be $30 assuming the currency survives the fiscal mismanagement of the politicians and bankers)
Actually they help more than that depending upon circumstances.
Crap jobs paid 9.50 here in NJ until they raised it to 10 bucks in 2019 and up and up. Lots of non high schoolers working these crap jobs. I know I know, just some losers who should just die. 25% of the population has an IQ of 90 or less. Age discrimination is very real. I know people making 12 bucks an hour with real degrees. Loser morons thought they should be allowed to age over 50. Idiots.
So far these jobs still go begging at $12. There will come a point on the journey to $15 that it does have a greater effect. Both sides like to think in black and white terms when in fact there are gray areas.
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