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Originally Posted by johnwk1 View
I'm simply trying to understand the reasoning why the Roberts' Court issued the order they did, and did so without any rational or legal reasoning behind it.
And you've been provided with that reasoning from muiltiple people, yet you choose to ignore or disregard that information. You're on your own, pal. The Supreme Court decision is well documented. If that's not good enough for you, give John Roberts a ring. Let us know how that goes.
There have been a number of personal opinions posted which are not in harmony with our Constitution, nor are they in harmony with statements made by our very own Supreme Court.
With regard to your comment that the ". . . Supreme Court decision is well documented...", it appears you have not read the ORDER dated FRIDAY, DECEMBER 11, 2020, which is void of what you allege.
If that is the case, then please explain what the rational and legal reasoning is to believe Texas did not have standing, and did not raise a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which the defendant States conducted their elections?
Texas and the twenty other states assert the defendant states violated the Electors Clause of Article II, Section 1, Clause 2, and the Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, its due process and equal protection guarantee.
If this is true, should the violations not be prohibited?
If that is the case, then please explain what the rational and legal reasoning is to believe Texas did not have standing, and did not raise a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which the defendant States conducted their
With regard to your comment that the ". . . Supreme Court decision is well documented...", it appears you have not read the ORDER dated FRIDAY, DECEMBER 11, 2020, which is void of what you allege.
And what part of
Quote:
The State of Texas’s motion for leave to file a bill of complaint is denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution. Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections.
do you not understand?
It's just eating away at Trump apologists that the Supreme Court didn't rule in his favor, isn't it? I guess they figured out too late that Supreme Court justices are loyal to the Constitution and not a president?
No? Why is that? Because there is no doubt in your mind, whatsoever, that Trump was the best president America ever had ever since Reagan, I mean since Lincoln?
To "move on" without our Supreme Court addressing the questions raised, is to invite more corruption into our federal election process, eventually leaving us with the kinds of elections which take place in Venezuela, Cuba, etc.
Does this not disturb you?
JWK
What disturbs me is the fact that so many Americans have apparently abandoned all reason.
Texas did not have a case. When a party doesn't have a case, they don't get to sue other parties.
Texas did not have a case. Texas, nor any other state, is not entitled to force the Supreme Court to investigate its "questions".
And the states that have been challenged have actually investigated the complaints made. Which is something that conspirators seem unable to grasp. These "questions" have been investigated and resolved. There was no widespread fraud. Our election process is not corrupt.
And this insistence on more and more and more investigation is not reasonable. Oh, the people alleging the fraud try to make themselves sound reasonable. "We only want to be sure." "If there was no fraud why can't we investigate?"
IT HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED.
What your continuing demands are for is not for unbiased investigation, that has already happened. What your demands are for is for an investigation that gets the results you want. And you will never be satisfied unless you get the results you want. So you need to resign yourself to never being satisfied. Because investigations have been done, recounts have been done, there was no widespread fraud, the election was not stolen, it was lost. More people voted for President Biden than voted for President Trump. Trump lost. Period.
Originally Posted by johnwk1
With regard to your comment that the ". . . Supreme Court decision is well documented...", it appears you have not read the ORDER dated FRIDAY, DECEMBER 11, 2020, which is void of what you allege.
And what part of
Quote:
The State of Texas’s motion for leave to file a bill of complaint is denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution. Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections.
do you not understand?
You wrote: The Supreme Court decision is well documented.
Where is the documentation in the ORDER explaining the rational and legal reasoning for the Court asserting Texas has no standing, nor has demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections?
The Court ORDER is one without substantiation.
Now, with regard to standing, the fact is, every state in the Union, as well as every citizen in the United States, has a very real interest in federal elections because those elected to be our President, and those elected as a member of Congress, affect federal public policy, and federal public policy directly affects the United States as States, and the people of the United States.
In speaking to this very issue [our federal electoral process], Justice DOUGLAS, in United States v. Classic (1941), emphatically pointed out, when acts of corruption infect a federal electoral process in one state “they transcend mere local concern and extend a contaminating influence into the national domain”.
Of course, although every state in the Union and every citizen in the United States has a very real interest in federal elections, that interest does not, and should not, allow one State, or the people of that State, to meddle in another State’s legislative authority to determine the “Manner” in which it conducts its own federal elections ___ an exception being, a federal electoral process within a state which violates constitutional provisions, or one corrupted to such a degree that the people’s vote becomes meaningless and is predetermined by illegal practices which have corrupted the election process.
I find it extremely dangerous for a segment of our nation's population, assuming they are freedom loving people, to be so fixated on their hatred for a particular candidate, and to such a degree, that they are willing to ignore fundamental rules to insure our elections are free of corruption, illegal voter activity, and within constitutional limits.
What disturbs me is the fact that so many Americans have apparently abandoned all reason.
Texas did not have a case. When a party doesn't have a case, they don't get to sue other parties.
Texas did not have a case. Texas, nor any other state, is not entitled to force the Supreme Court to investigate its "questions".
And the states that have been challenged have actually investigated the complaints made. Which is something that conspirators seem unable to grasp. These "questions" have been investigated and resolved. There was no widespread fraud. Our election process is not corrupt.
And this insistence on more and more and more investigation is not reasonable. Oh, the people alleging the fraud try to make themselves sound reasonable. "We only want to be sure." "If there was no fraud why can't we investigate?"
IT HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED.
What your continuing demands are for is not for unbiased investigation, that has already happened. What your demands are for is for an investigation that gets the results you want. And you will never be satisfied unless you get the results you want. So you need to resign yourself to never being satisfied. Because investigations have been done, recounts have been done, there was no widespread fraud, the election was not stolen, it was lost. More people voted for President Biden than voted for President Trump. Trump lost. Period.
This is not about Biden vs Trump.
It's about a federal electoral process which abides by the rule of law, and does so in every State.
An example of an illegal electoral process is that which occurred in Pennsylvania and its use of no-excuse mail in ballots.
It's about a federal electoral process which abides by the rule of law, and does so in every State.
An example of an illegal electoral process is that which occurred in Pennsylvania and its use of no-excuse mail in ballots.
JWK
Each state decides how to conduct elections. Texas wanted to change that because the election didn't go the way Texas's officials had hoped. But Texas doesn't have the right to force Pennsylvania to disenfranchise voters, just like Pennsylvania doesn't have the right to force Texas to disenfranchise voters. And Texas especially does not have the right to challenge any other state just because they want the outcome of the election to change.
The process was secure. There was no widespread fraud. The people who voted, by mail or in person, were registered, legal voters. The machines that counted the votes were not compromised. President Biden got more votes than President Trump, and so Biden won the election. No widespread fraud. No stolen election.
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