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Old 02-21-2021, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Hogwash. The woman is an idiot. Lock her up.
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Old 02-21-2021, 02:05 PM
 
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Hogwash. The woman is an idiot. Lock her up.
Now. Now. You can't lock up people for being idiots.

Where would we find enough room?
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Old 02-21-2021, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Unless you can push it as far as "by reason of insanity," certainly a possibility for some, I don't see how claiming to be duped works as a defense.
Just a padded cell in that case since the weapons conspiracy charge was planned out rather than a fit of rage.
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Old 02-21-2021, 04:03 PM
 
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Wait is this article saying Watkins a female was an Army Ranger, or the attorney is an army Ranger?

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"By sharing the new details in the filing Saturday, the defense attorney for Watkins, a former Army ranger who served in Afghanistan, argues for her release from jail on bond and other restrictions as she awaits trial."
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Old 02-21-2021, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Tri STATE!!!
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Good up until that point. If you're hired by some bank robbers to provide security to and from the bank, you robbed the bank.

It doesn't particularly matter how misguided she was. She could have thought the President was going to order the bank's assets seized and that the bank robbers had a role to play in seizing the assets for the government. Still robbed the bank. That could be a mitigating circumstance that could result in a better plea bargain or a judge going on the lower end for sentencing in the case of a conviction. In this case I doubt it does anything of the sort. The conspiracy to smuggle weapons in particularly does not look good for Watkins. If they prove that, she's going away. In comparison the rioters who just were there to vandalize and steal things will get off lighter. They'll probably be fairly lenient and not toss those people away for ten years. Watkins, yeah, going away for a while if convicted on the weapons conspiracy.
Wait a minute. Did you just try and equate heeding the call of the PRESIDENT to defend the constitution with robbing a bank? There is no ambiguity in robbing a bank. The president is the boss.
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Old 02-21-2021, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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I don't believe that it's a lie. I think she has a valid claim. He is the president. If the president calls you to defend the constitution you heed the call.
Yeah?
If you were called, what does 'defend' mean to you?

For damn sure, 'defend' DOES NOT mean attempted insurrection by force and the seizure of the People's seat of government, our Capitol building, to me!

I would demand to know who I am to defend my freedom from before I would take up arms.

But that's just me... what would you do?
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Old 02-21-2021, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Tri STATE!!!
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Yeah?
If you were called, what does 'defend' mean to you?

For damn sure, 'defend' DOES NOT mean attempted insurrection by force and the seizure of the People's seat of government, our Capitol building, to me!

I would demand to know who I am to defend my freedom from before I would take up arms.

But that's just me... what would you do?
I'm a liberal progressive kind of dude so I have faith in the electoral process.

I never believed a word out of Trump's mouth when he just a socialite in NY scene so I didn't listen to him as prez. But he WAS the president of the united states. The most powerful man on the planet. The guy with the codes. The commander. So why would millions NOT heed his call to protect the constitution and the electoral process when it's being compromised?

You say you would demand to know who you are defending your freedom from right? At every rally and event and press conference and from his lawyers and surrogates the president told you. Day after day. This lady has a strong case IMO. It's not "i was just following orders". It's "i was being patriotic and defending the country".
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Old 02-21-2021, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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I don't believe that it's a lie. I think she has a valid claim. He is the president. If the president calls you to defend the constitution you heed the call.
One thing is to be called in an official manner , as when you deputize folks in an emergency, another to hear ramblings from a political speech and figure he was talking to you.Common
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Old 02-21-2021, 10:38 PM
 
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Should make a good state’s witness.
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Old 02-21-2021, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Wait a minute. Did you just try and equate heeding the call of the PRESIDENT to defend the constitution with robbing a bank? There is no ambiguity in robbing a bank. The president is the boss.
If you thought your boss told you to rob a bank, my boss told me to do so is not an affirmative defense. You robbed a bank. There's no ambiguity about it.

Even if Trump called her up on the phone and told her to conspire to smuggle weapons into D.C. to storm the capital to prevent the certification, there's no ambiguity. Trump may have criminal immunity as President but nobody else in the conspiracy would. He may have been impeached, if he'd done that. Hard to tell with Republicans these days though.
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