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Old 02-21-2021, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Tri STATE!!!
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/21/polit...iot/index.html

I'm as liberal and progressive as they come and I believe she has a valid case. Opinions.
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Old 02-21-2021, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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It will be interesting to see how these cases turn out. Ignorance of the law is generally not justification for committing a crime. "I was just doing my job" also is not generally a justification.
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Old 02-21-2021, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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No.
It's a lie. The President and all of Congress have several layers of professional protection; the Secret Service, the Capitol Police, the U.S. Marine Corps, the Washington D.C. Police Dept., and many others. All of them are at instant disposal, and all they need is a phone call and an order.

Trump never needed Oath Keepers for any security job.

But he sure liked to have them as hangarounds, because he liked the idea of possessing a private paramilitary force at his beck and call.

His professional security people would never allow themselves to be joined with the Oath Keepers at his command, but the Proud Boys sure would!
Both groups slathered for violence like hungry dogs drool for flank steak.

Both would crawl on broken glass just to kiss their messiah's butt if he ordered them to. Trump wanted that. A lot.
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Old 02-21-2021, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Tri STATE!!!
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No.
It's a lie. The President and all of Congress have several layers of professional protection; the Secret Service, the Capitol Police, the U.S. Marine Corps, the Washington D.C. Police Dept., and many others. All of them are at instant disposal, and all they need is a phone call and an order.

Trump never needed Oath Keepers for any security job.

But he sure liked to have them as hangarounds, because he liked the idea of possessing a private paramilitary force at his beck and call.

His professional security people would never allow themselves to be joined with the Oath Keepers at his command, but the Proud Boys sure would!
Both groups slathered for violence like hungry dogs drool for flank steak.

Both would crawl on broken glass just to kiss their messiah's butt if he ordered them to. Trump wanted that. A lot.
I don't believe that it's a lie. I think she has a valid claim. He is the president. If the president calls you to defend the constitution you heed the call.
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Old 02-21-2021, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Currently in Florida for a little while
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Trump told all those people to march to the Capitol, and they followed his orders. He was the commander in chief afterall!

Responsibility ultimately falls on Trump.

The riot was not an insurrection though, as the democrat loonies have claimed.
If it was an insurrection, the crowd that stormed the Capitol would have been armed with guns.
You can't have an "unarmed insurrection", no such thing exists.
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Old 02-21-2021, 12:33 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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A proper investigation will likely reveal the truth of the matter.
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Old 02-21-2021, 12:37 PM
 
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No.
It's a lie. The President and all of Congress have several layers of professional protection; the Secret Service, the Capitol Police, the U.S. Marine Corps, the Washington D.C. Police Dept., and many others. All of them are at instant disposal, and all they need is a phone call and an order.

Trump never needed Oath Keepers for any security job.

But he sure liked to have them as hangarounds, because he liked the idea of possessing a private paramilitary force at his beck and call.

His professional security people would never allow themselves to be joined with the Oath Keepers at his command, but the Proud Boys sure would!
Both groups slathered for violence like hungry dogs drool for flank steak.

Both would crawl on broken glass just to kiss their messiah's butt if he ordered them to. Trump wanted that. A lot.
You are speculating on what Trump likes or dislikes. You have zero clue. Step away from the news, it's poisoned your mind. Your post spews hate.
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Old 02-21-2021, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/21/polit...iot/index.html

I'm as liberal and progressive as they come and I believe she has a valid case. Opinions.
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Prosecutors previously said Watkins had waited for direction from Trump -- and believed she had received it before she joined the siege, allegedly leading several others into the Capitol building to fight against Congress' certification of the Electoral College vote
Good up until that point. If you're hired by some bank robbers to provide security to and from the bank, you robbed the bank.

It doesn't particularly matter how misguided she was. She could have thought the President was going to order the bank's assets seized and that the bank robbers had a role to play in seizing the assets for the government. Still robbed the bank. That could be a mitigating circumstance that could result in a better plea bargain or a judge going on the lower end for sentencing in the case of a conviction. In this case I doubt it does anything of the sort. The conspiracy to smuggle weapons in particularly does not look good for Watkins. If they prove that, she's going away. In comparison the rioters who just were there to vandalize and steal things will get off lighter. They'll probably be fairly lenient and not toss those people away for ten years. Watkins, yeah, going away for a while if convicted on the weapons conspiracy.

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Old 02-21-2021, 01:16 PM
 
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Not going down that rabbit hole.
Will though cut the grass.
Her flaw is the ambiguity.
Met with secret service ? Sure maybe . The same way I 'met' president Clinton while he did a speech at one of our local manufacturer company.
The devil is in the details.
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Old 02-21-2021, 01:56 PM
 
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Good up until that point. If you're hired by some bank robbers to provide security to and from the bank, you robbed the bank.

It doesn't particularly matter how misguided she was. She could have thought the President was going to order the bank's assets seized and that the bank robbers had a role to play in seizing the assets for the government. Still robbed the bank. That could be a mitigating circumstance that could result in a better plea bargain or a judge going on the lower end for sentencing in the case of a conviction. In this case I doubt it does anything of the sort. The conspiracy to smuggle weapons in particularly does not look good for Watkins. If they prove that, she's going away. In comparison the rioters who just were there to vandalize and steal things will get off lighter. They'll probably be fairly lenient and not toss those people away for ten years. Watkins, yeah, going away for a while if convicted on the weapons conspiracy.
Unless you can push it as far as "by reason of insanity," certainly a possibility for some, I don't see how claiming to be duped works as a defense.
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