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Old 02-23-2021, 10:51 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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You know what gets me? Math. These folks think that when they say "72% of Republicans" that it means then at least the majority of half the country feels the same way.

Reality? Know who has the biggest party?

Know what HALF the country identify as? Independents as of the last Gallup poll:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/p...filiation.aspx

So when you say "72% of Republicans" you mean 72% of 1/4th the country. Even if ALL of you said it, you would still only be....25% of the country.
And don't tell me... let me guess... the other 75% are all democrats, right? Not only that, but they are all on the far socialist end of the spectrum, right? Every last one of them.
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Old 02-23-2021, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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And don't tell me... let me guess... the other 75% are all democrats, right? Not only that, but they are all on the far socialist end of the spectrum, right? Every last one of them.
did you even bother to read the post you quoted?

Well, no, no need to ask because you clearly didn't
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Old 02-23-2021, 12:00 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Default is NH state motto offensive to the socialists??????? live free or die, the next to go....

the figure of 27% coincidentally matches the per cent of swamp creatures in the repub party.

Good riddance to bad garbage.

Trump owns what remains of the repub party. the 27% who have now sacrificed their elitist political careers have no right to call themselves republicans.

Guess NH will have to change its state motto, 'live free or die'. if the muppets now offend the socialists, that motto has to set their hair on fire.
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Old 02-23-2021, 12:43 PM
 
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the figure of 27% coincidentally matches the per cent of swamp creatures in the repub party.

Good riddance to bad garbage.

Trump owns what remains of the repub party. the 27% who have now sacrificed their elitist political careers have no right to call themselves republicans.

Guess NH will have to change its state motto, 'live free or die'. if the muppets now offend the socialists, that motto has to set their hair on fire.
And it is the swamp creatures - the 27% - that need to go start their own party, if they are really that disenchanted with the rest of the company they are currently keeping.

The fact is that these people are cowards and parasites. They will not start their own party. And the Republican party of today has evolved and outgrown their corrupt and worn out ideas.
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Old 02-23-2021, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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I will be brutally honest with my assessment on this topic. The failure that the left repeatedly makes is not being able to differentiate the messenger from the message.


I like Trump and I voted for him this last election. However, I think many Republicans grew tired of Trumps immaturity and antics. He was his own worst enemy. If you quiz most Republicans, I think a large percentage would agree.


However, Trump's MESSAGE was spot on. I'd venture to say at least 80% of Republicans are on board with his message. Trump doesn't need to start a new party because his MESSAGE is one that now permeates the Republican Party even when Trump is no longer POTUS. We'll just patiently wait for the next politician to pick up where Trump left off (hopefully in a more diplomatic manner).


For those on the left that think the Republican Platform will disappear soon, they are living in fantasy land. Ain't happening! Our Platform has been heavily influenced by Trump and it's pretty much set in concrete.
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Old 02-23-2021, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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More and more I am coming to see parallels between 1860 and now. It would not surprise me a bit if the Republicans split into two parties and ditto for the Democrats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_U...ntial_election

Four major candidates in 1860, and the "least" one received just slight more than an eighth of the vote (12.6%).
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Old 02-23-2021, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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The problem with a new party to replace the GOP is that the rich and powerful hate Trump's guts. Any candidate running under the new party would be very low on campaign donations. While averge people would be sending them small donations, you still need all that special interst money to win a US House or Senate seat, let alone the presidency. You need those mega corporations and rich fat-cat donors to get over the hump. The new candidates would be starved of that money. Small donations alone won't get it done. Sure, the GOP would whither and die, but the net effect would be to make the Democrats the only game in town.

I am not saying Trump shouldn't do it. He should. The GOP is on its death bed anyway, so what the heck. Go for it. I know a lot of Republicans who won't be voting for them going forward. They might as well vote for a party Trump has established than some dinky other 3rd party like the Independent party, which is anything but independent. It has its own agenda. You can't just go by a name.
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Old 02-23-2021, 01:39 PM
 
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Bill Kristol sees the writing on the wall. If there is going to be a new party formed, it is going to have to be he and the rest of the establishment neocons that forms it. And they do not have enough supporters to make that a plausible course of action.

So Bill Kristol today is coming out and endorsing a "third way" - that he and the rest of the establishment Republicans can become Democrats. Read it here and see for yourself. I am not making this up.

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Time for NeverTrump to Ally With Biden, Schumer & Pelosi?

But isn’t there another pretty obvious alternative? Mightn’t one consider allying oneself with the Biden wing of the Democratic party? Aren’t the Red Dogs worth at least a thought? That wing of the party isn’t insignificant. Biden did win the Democratic nomination. That wing isn’t powerless. Biden is the president. That wing isn’t lacking in other powerful patrons—the speaker of the House and the majority leader of the Senate are at least qualified supporters. And it’s not lacking in up-and-coming younger officials—consider the representatives elected for the first time in 2018, most of whom are pretty centrist, some of whom are very impressive.

So why not Biden? Why not Bidenism? That may not turn out to be the end solution. But surely it’s too real a possibility to be ignored. Why shouldn’t anti-Trump Republicans at least consider becoming a kind-of-Old-Republican wing of Joe Biden’s Democratic party? Moderate Democrats, historically speaking, get no respect. Sure, they win elections. And they govern pretty successfully. But they get ignored by the media, by their side’s intellectuals, by donors, even by Democratic political pros. And now they’re getting ignored by Never Trumpers.

Maybe it’s time they get attention and respect. Perhaps anti-Trump can morph into work-with-Biden.

Or perhaps not. But it’s worth a look, and even a try.
This article is published at "The Bulwork," which is apparently Bill Kristol's new blog.
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Old 02-23-2021, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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As long as Trump leads the Republican Party and is the shot caller, the Democrats will continue to win more elections, taking more of everything away from the Republicans.

The simple fact is there are more voters now who never want to see Trump hold any office in his life again than those who love him and will always vote for him.

The voters who will always refuse to vote for Trump will never vote for another politician who supports Trump.
The longer Trump lasts as a force, the more young Democratic radicals will decide to run for office. And win, once they run. When one party grows more radical, the other matches them.

Trump's a losing proposition now. The longer he lingers as a force within his party, the worse it will be for Republicans.
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Old 02-23-2021, 02:15 PM
 
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As long as Trump leads the Republican Party and is the shot caller, the Democrats will continue to win more elections, taking more of everything away from the Republicans.

The simple fact is there are more voters now who never want to see Trump hold any office in his life again than those who love him and will always vote for him.

The voters who will always refuse to vote for Trump will never vote for another politician who supports Trump.
The longer Trump lasts as a force, the more young Democratic radicals will decide to run for office. And win, once they run. When one party grows more radical, the other matches them.

Trump's a losing proposition now. The longer he lingers as a force within his party, the worse it will be for Republicans.
The election was settled by roughly 40k votes spread over 3-4 states — and it took a 4 year society dividing campaign for democrats to get that. Democrats have done nothing to stop Trumpism...65 million became 75 million. Trump has driven identity politics to peak saturation...which is actually a good thing because society wants to get it out of their system. Without Trump identity politics would be a slow drip for decades to come. It’s something that had to be confronted and it probably took someone like Trump to get the ball rolling.

Of note — Axios reports that only 27% of Americans now trust the media.

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By the numbers: For the first time ever, fewer than half of all Americans have trust in traditional media, according to data from Edelman's annual trust barometer shared exclusively with Axios. Trust in social media has hit an all-time low of 27%.

56% of Americans agree with the statement that "Journalists and reporters are purposely trying to mislead people by saying things they know are false or gross exaggerations."
58% think that "most news organizations are more concerned with supporting an ideology or political position than with informing the public."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axi...b21c283a9.html

Republicans now have OH, FL and IA locked up. And we obviously see that WI, PA and MI are EXTREMELY competitive throughout TWO election cycles. This means no more blue wall and many more paths to victory.
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