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Old 05-24-2021, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Cool. So lets see. Where to start. So 2010 Census. % of us population that is black? 12.6%.

page 4:
https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/...c2010br-02.pdf

And you are trotting out that 25% number like its something to be proud of? Really?

And 27 of them were 100% unarmed? And you're proud of this? Really?

I grant you the rare Greywar double DOHS!
There is a difference between Pride and promulgating Facts! (bad lawyer you are)

AFTER-ALL, you're proud of the fact that 127 unarmed 'Whites' were killed by police in 2020...~




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Old 05-24-2021, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Florida
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lol. ah yes, so now black people are criminals. Or are they more likely to be identified that way?

Sort of like NY where black and white people on average carry the same amount of personal use drugs. But stop and frisk? Overwhelmingly targeted them. Result? More of them were criminals.....

Stuff like that? But you pick a cherry picked value in some ways. Violent crime. OK. 52% I think is the figure correct? We can argue that one if you want. Lets start with this though.

Its not genetics. Other countrys dont have this disparity. Are you arguing this is a culture issue? How EXACTLY do you think that culture has formed? You know, when youre the minority, 150 years ago? They were owned. And people have discriminated against them pretty heavily. Massive wealth gaps.

And cops still do. Ive SEEN it. So arguing about this to try and make them the bad guys? Lets get real. There are no good guys here. And no great solutions.

Liberals are good at using Double-standards and IGNORING FACTS.


Unfortunately, 80-90% of all police calls are in Minority run/owned/occupied neighborhoods.


Google that...





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Old 05-24-2021, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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or not. see, this troubles me...

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Scott, the only Black Republican in the Senate and one of just three Black Republicans in all of Congress,
this is the second sentence of the article. what is the value of juxtaposing this there, other than to *wink*wink* "Republicans must be racist".

and this ....
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The bill failed to get 60 votes, the necessary Senate margin, in 2020, with the majority of Democrats voting against it for inadequately handling the problem.
the bill never got voted on, for purely partisan reasons ...
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The procedural vote on whether to start debate was 55-45; it needed 60 votes in order to proceed. Republicans had 53 votes, but not enough Democrats joined them.

This effectively freezes police reform in Congress for now, even if the House approves its own measure on Thursday, despite a nationwide movement for reform since the death of George Floyd in police custody.

Democrats had objected to the bill not ending police chokeholds or qualified immunity for police officers.

But Scott emphasized what the bill did, including increasing requirements for use-of-force reports, a tracker on “no-knock” warrants and encouraging agencies to do away with chokeholds or lose federal funding.
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Old 05-24-2021, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Texas
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There is a difference between Pride and promulgating Facts! (bad lawyer you are)

AFTER-ALL, you're proud of the fact that 127 unarmed 'Whites' were killed by police in 2020...~




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54 unarmed blacks
127 unarmed whites

where do these numbers come from?

I've read in the most recent year, 2020, it was 55 total unarmed and 18 unarmed blacks. WAPO https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ings-database/
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Old 05-24-2021, 08:38 PM
 
Location: *
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For your review:

H.R.1280 - George Floyd Justice in Policing Act of 2021

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-...ctions?r=1&s=2
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Old 05-24-2021, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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That's called changing gun laws. Making gun crimes a separate class of crimes would be a start. Forget about regulating guns. Just make people who use them unlawfully wish they never owned a gun.
Leftists will NEVER agree to that. California has laws that has tougher sentencing requirements for violent crimes where a gun is used. LEFTIST IDIOTS are working to have those laws eliminated. We need to be honest-the goal of the left is NOT to reduce crimes or save lives-if it were they would be supporting these laws, and prosecuting "strawman sales" and working to prosecute those that committed a federal felony by lying on ATF form 4473 about actions that would prohibit them from owning a firearm (Hunter Biden for example). Instead, they work to enable criminals and ensure they are not punished, while working to violate the civil rights of law abiding people.
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Old 05-24-2021, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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https://www.nraila.org/articles/2021...-little-people

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In order to purchase a firearm from an FFL, a buyer must fill out a Form 4473. The form asks, “Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?” Hunter answered “no” to this question.

Lying on a form 4473 is two separate crimes. It is a crime when a person “knowingly makes any false statement or representation with respect to the information required by this chapter to be kept in the records of a person licensed under this chapter,” such as the Form 4473. A violation of this provision is punishable by up to 5 years imprisonment. It is also a crime for a person to “make any false or fictitious oral or written statement” to a dealer “with respect to any fact material to the lawfulness of the sale.” A violation of this provision is punishable by up to 10 years imprisonment.
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Old 05-25-2021, 04:06 AM
 
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Liberals are good at using Double-standards and IGNORING FACTS.


Unfortunately, 80-90% of all police calls are in Minority run/owned/occupied neighborhoods.


Google that...





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All the left has is dishonest BS in this topic and their lies are destroying the nation.

You are correct and black people are more likely to call the police on black people. Because they are more likely to live in a high crime area.

One of greywar's dishonest points is he ignores that stop and frisk targeted high crime areas, which means for example it isn't targeting an Asian neighborhood, the race least likely to get stopped and frisked.
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Old 05-25-2021, 06:38 AM
 
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The left refuses to have an honest conversation. The left is constantly lying or showing a failure to understand simple statistics.

Black people commit a majority of the violent crime in this country as a fact. Therefore groups getting stopped more by police because they commit more violent crime will also get picked up on other things like drug use when they search the body and car at arrest. It is extremely dishonest to pretend this isn't true.

Police are more active in black majority neighborhoods due to facts of crimes. Detroit and Flint combined have 9% of Michigan's population but between 50 to 65% of murders in the state in a typical year. Therefore they will get more policing to save lives there. Those two cities are majority black and get more policing. The more policing there isn't racist, it is based in statistics and it saves lives.

Asians commit less crimes than whites and resist arrest less too. This explains why Asians are statistically less likely to be shot than whites. The gap between Asian-white shootings is bigger than the gap between whites-blacks. Why? Because cops are racist in favor of Asians or because they as a group have better choices than whites on average?
Not a single C-D person who believes that there is an "epidemic" of police shootings will address what you're writing, and not one of them who spouts the line that "blacks are 13% of the population but 25% of police shooting victims" will either.

The 13%/25% line is used deceptively. You may not know this, but years ago, a group of Asian-Americans produced a video in which several of them appear, addressing their elders (the video is entirely in English but it uses terms that are common within certain Asian groups to refer to elders who are one's direct relatives as well as elders who are not kin but are still people one knows), and telling them about the 13%/25% line.

The problem with the 13%/25% line is that it's not only deceptive, but it paints a very incomplete picture. By and in of itself, the person hearing it will immediately assume that black Americans are lopsidedly and disproportionately shot dead or shot and wounded by police.

But the greater and fuller picture shows that whites are almost 50% of all police shooting victims, and it also includes the painful truth that a very small percentage of the entire black population is committing a very large number of crimes, relative both to the black community as a whole and to the entire U.S. population.

Police activity is being measured by those who use the 13%/25% line, and by the Black Lives Matter organization, by population ratios - but this is the incorrect benchmark. The correct benchmark is criminal activity. To use population ratios as the measurement whereby to assess whether there is excessive police activity (i.e, bias, bigotry, racism) is the ONLY way that the 13%/25% line that many leftists (including posters on C-D) and the BLM organization can sustain their position.

Police officers are not answering 911 calls on gang shootouts in suburban neighborhoods where houses cost $750,000 or $1,000,000 or $2,500,000. Not that people who live in affluent areas are incapable of doing illegal things, but suburban neighborhoods with such houses tend to be safe enough for retirees to walk or to jog without fears of being victimized by random shootings or armed muggers.

Police officers are sent to answer 911 calls where violent crime happens, and the overwhelming majority of the time, these crimes occur in predominantly minority neighborhoods - black and/or Hispanic.

In the same vein, firefighters go to where there are fires. If Townsville has fires once every 10 days whereas next-door Villetown has fires once every 10 years, is the fire department to be accused of discriminating against Townsville?

And a final note: I emphasize that within the black community, it is a minority committing these crimes. The problem is that this minority, while small vs. the entire black community and tiny vs. the entire U.S. population, commits a LOT of crimes. And by doing so they are making life worse for fellow black Americans; their very neighbors... decent and normal people who wish to live in peace but who are not able to move to safer/more expensive areas.
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Old 05-25-2021, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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great post - I'll highlight just one part, lest people be unable to read for that long ...

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I emphasize that within the black community, it is a minority committing these crimes. The problem is that this minority, while small vs. the entire black community and tiny vs. the entire U.S. population, commits a LOT of crimes. And by doing so they are making life worse for fellow black Americans; their very neighbors... decent and normal people who wish to live in peace but who are not able to move to safer/more expensive areas.
"Black people" are not criminals.
"Black men" are not criminals.
"Black men 18-34" are not criminals.

Having 1 out of 4 Black men spend time in the prison system is a problem.

Where can it be reduced? I'd argue drug possession laws/penalties.

But those of us "on the right", and "white people" in general have to remember that it is a small fraction of the Black population that commits a way-outsized % of the violent crime.
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