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Old 02-23-2021, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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And why shouldn't they, the Qing government tried to seize all goods supplied by British merchants and trading companies, the war was fought over the right of individual commerce and respect for property.


Libertarians should have loved and supported the British and the French against the anti-market Qing.

God bless the invisible hand.
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Old 02-23-2021, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Desert southwest US
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Yes
No
Maybe
Some do
Define “support”
Cheese

Libertarianism depends on the individual, and none of them seem to agree.
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Old 02-23-2021, 10:21 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Yes
No
Maybe
Some do
Define “support”
Cheese

Libertarianism depends on the individual, and none of them seem to agree.
Yep. Trying to pin Libertarians down to a consistent set of principles is like herding cats.
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Old 02-23-2021, 11:59 PM
 
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I imagine a libertarian will pen all the blame and responsibility on the British and French and probably the Chinese governments and nothing else.
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Old 02-24-2021, 04:34 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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And why shouldn't they, the Qing government tried to seize all goods supplied by British merchants and trading companies, the war was fought over the right of individual commerce and respect for property.


Libertarians should have loved and supported the British and the French against the anti-market Qing.

God bless the invisible hand.
As the opium wars circa 1839 - 1860? That belongs in the history section not POC doesn't it mods?
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Old 02-24-2021, 04:37 AM
 
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I loves me a "I hate libertarians" thread
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Old 02-24-2021, 04:47 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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The perpetual never ending WAR on the PAST rages on; the road to vIcToRy!!!

And, they call themselves "progressives".

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Old 02-24-2021, 05:07 AM
 
Location: NY
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Excerpt: Do libertarians support the opium wars?

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I asked a Liberal that question once a long long time ago........he told me to hold on while he lit up pipe.

Question answered.............................
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Old 02-24-2021, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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As the opium wars circa 1839 - 1860? That belongs in the history section not POC doesn't it mods?
This isn't debating history, that is already settled. I am trying to use the past to reveal something about modern day libertarians.

The Qing siezed the privately owned goods of British merchants and trading companies who were only selling their goods at market value. The NAP was never breeched.

So then the British government was only responding to seizure of private property and protection for the free market.

It must therefore be concluded the war was just and this anti-authoritarian humbug from libertarians is a mask to hide some deeper evil.
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Old 02-24-2021, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Most Libertarians do not agree with all aspects of pure Libertarianism, just as could be said about Dems & Pubs.

I hold mostly Libertarian beliefs of small government, & minimal government regulation. However, common sense tells me that there are times when some government intervention is needed...like to control the exploitation of children in the sex trade.

Some people can only see absolutes, and in their hateful rage, miss the nuiances of moderation.

I see the government as mostly evil now...totally corrupted on both sides. If we had less government, we'd have less corruption, & less distortion of free trade.

If you need an example of how government distorts free trade, and harms the 99%, just look at what government has done to our healthcare system. Government has killed competition, and costs have risen out of control, and quality of care has declined.

Nearly everything government touches, it destroys. Government isn't trying to make things better anymore, its all about the kickbacks...pay to play, America's for sale to the highest bidder....so sad.

This ends badly.
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