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Old 02-24-2021, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Because the leftist policy has long favored renewables. Yes, even in Texas. If you are surprised, you should listen to all the oil giants talking about going to renewables.
Nope, that has nothing to do with it. After the 1973-74 Arab Oil Embargo, oil-burning power plants nationwide (and probably worldwide) disappeared quickly, as power utilities and governments realized that oil was too valuable as an exclusive transportation fuel to be used for anything else.
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Old 02-24-2021, 01:25 PM
 
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Because the leftist policy has long favored renewables. Yes, even in Texas. If you are surprised, you should listen to all the oil giants talking about going to renewables.
You DO know that most of this was caused because Texas maintained their own grid to avoid Federal regulation, right?



So, what "leftist policy" that is native to Texas dictated that they not use oil in power generation?
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Old 02-24-2021, 01:26 PM
 
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... was finding out that Texas, home of America's biggest oil boom and still the state that produces more oil than all the rest combined....

...doesn't have ONE OIL-FIRED POWER GENERATION STATION. They're mostly natural gas, windmills, solar, and a few nukes.

Umm, why no oil burners? In the entire state? Don't tell me they ran out.

They pollute less than coal, are easier to turn off and especially ON after trouble, and they don't quit during freezing rain.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...n-by-us-state/
You could have investigated it further and you know the bulk of Texas CHOSE to do it alone to avoid further regulation of the rest of the US grid. Blame TEXAS Politics not the rest of the Nation.

Here is a maps below in my link I will add --- of where OIL powered plants along with coal, gas, nuclear, wind, hydro and solar are though the US. Though a bit hard to tell with all the overlapping. You can see that the LEFTIST Northeast Coastal region HAS THE MOST OIL FIRED PLANTS..... so please do not blame in on Leftist as you totally will every chance you get. First map is combined kinds into one map. Then you have maps of EACH SEPARATELY.

Money speaks also when Big Oil sees it does not want to be left behind for the WORLD'S movement to new technologies. Oil is a commodity that has SO MANY USES..... to just burn it all when it will not last forever is not the best used of it. From clothes products and plastics etc that you do not get from others to any degree.

This was a Texas CHOICE and the State alone gets the blame here. You want to add Big Oil for their choice not the promote burning Oil for power in Texas? You could do that. Not Washington or Leftist here.

The map I referred to is in this link.
SCROLL DOWN in link FOR THE MAP OF ---> ONLY OIL FIRED PLANTS IN THE US.
You will see the Northeast COASTAL areas are KING for OIL burning plants.
As you know .... it has a high Leftist voters count in the region also....

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/map...y%20from%20oil.

Politics is a reason this forum is all about accusing and blame and same rhetoric of fingerpointing by it that eats away at you'all. Just do investigating of where Oil is still burned for electricity and you cannot just blame Leftist as you want to do endlessly. Texas wanted to do it alone and it did..... blame just itself.

But you will notice on the map on wind-power..... ONLY TEXAS has it in like the WHOLE SOUTH.

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Old 02-24-2021, 01:26 PM
 
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Nope, that has nothing to do with it. After the 1973-74 Arab Oil Embargo, oil-burning power plants nationwide (and probably worldwide) disappeared quickly, as power utilities and governments realized that oil was too valuable as an exclusive transportation fuel to be used for anything else.
And THAT'S how you answer a question.
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Old 02-24-2021, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=31232
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Roughly 70% of petroleum-fired electric generating capacity that still exists today was constructed prior to 1980. Utility-scale generators that reported petroleum as their primary fuel comprised only 3% of total electric generating capacity at the end of 2016 and produced less than 1% of total electricity generation during 2016.

[...]

A fundamental shift in the perception of oil as a utility fuel occurred during the 1970s when world oil markets experienced sharp price increases. Supply shortages during world events such as the Arab Oil Embargo, the Iranian Revolution, and the Iran-Iraq war also discouraged petroleum-fired electricity generating capacity additions in the United States.
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Old 02-24-2021, 01:31 PM
 
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Texas has possibly the most deregulated power grid in the nation. The answer is simple: money.
And end-of-thread.
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Old 02-24-2021, 01:41 PM
 
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... was finding out that Texas, home of America's biggest oil boom and still the state that produces more oil than all the rest combined....

...doesn't have ONE OIL-FIRED POWER GENERATION STATION. They're mostly natural gas, windmills, solar, and a few nukes.

Umm, why no oil burners? In the entire state? Don't tell me they ran out.

They pollute less than coal, are easier to turn off and especially ON after trouble, and they don't quit during freezing rain.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...n-by-us-state/
In other news, parts of TX did really well in the last week disaster, of course they are not part of that free of regulation and oversight state grid, lol.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/el...er-storm-2021/

Everything could have been winterized and it would not fail. El Paso example shows that. Oh, and they did have even the oil back up

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Old 02-24-2021, 02:23 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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If they were using nuclear energy, they definitely wouldn't have lost power.
Texas has two nuke plants. One of them shut down during the storm.

https://www.argusmedia.com/en/news/2...t-winter-storm
Texas power sector struggles against winter storm
Published date: 16 February 2021
South Texas nuclear reactor 1 went offline yesterday, according to the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Replacing that 1,250MW of power generation with gas would add 347mn cf/d to demand.
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Old 02-24-2021, 02:42 PM
 
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Because federal policy started discouraging their use 40 years ago. Most utilities switched to cleaner, cheaper natural gas, which is also abundant in Texas. Petroleum power is only about 1% of the US capacity.
That's exactly correct according the the EIA - and those figures are from 2016.
Used even less in 2021.

Oil-fired power plants provide small amounts of U.S. electricity capacity and generation
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Old 02-24-2021, 02:42 PM
 
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Because the leftist policy has long favored renewables. Yes, even in Texas. If you are surprised, you should listen to all the oil giants talking about going to renewables.
Those leftist oil giants...
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