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Most Black and Hispanic kids have no chance of moving up in things like sports,performing arts etc.
Few Black kids will make it to the pro level in sports. So focusing on good paying jobs through education needs to be a bigger focus.
That is just an example.
Most Asians also lack the "connections" some white/black people have in the US. For many reasons, it is also harder for them to make "friends" in college. That is one reason why why many of them go for STEM.
Not going to read the entire thread although I saw this headline in the news earlier today.
A serious, non-hostile, yet direct, blunt, and serious question to every single poster on City-Data who supports affirmative action, who is in favor of the removal of admissions/aptitude/examinations tests which are used by public school systems (such as the exam administered in the 3rd grade by the Boston public school system in this story, such as the SHSAT - a test middle school graduates-to-be in New York City who wish to attend specialized high schools such as Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, and Brooklyn Tech must take, and such as the admissions test for preschoolers, also by the NYC public school system, for gifted/talented elementary school children, which will be administered for the last time this spring)....
The disparity of achievement and of participation in accelerated, advanced, talented/gifted programs such as the one in the Boston schools in this story and others such as those in NYC public schools has been defended by ardent leftists such as NYC mayor de Blasio and his school chancellor Carranza. Carranza has said, on the record, that no one ethnic group should own the admissions system, but the plain truth is that for decades, whites and Asians have performed far better than Hispanics and blacks, and THAT is why whites and Asians are so very numerous in these specialized programs for students of higher ability.
If therefore the pause or termination of such exams is chosen to somehow "level" the playing field, this is essentially degrading standards.
Standards are a part of life; not every bright high school student who is good at math will have the requirements to study at MIT. Not every teenage boy who is an excellent basketball player will reach the NBA. And so forth.
If white and Asian students tend to be the ones who most often pass these exams and therefore qualify for these programs, how or why would it be fair to THEM to remove the exams? If black and Hispanic kids tend not to score high enough, how or why is lowering standards and thus hurting white and Asian kids' prospects in ANY WAY going to somehow represent justice?
If Hispanic and black kids don't have what it takes, why should they study alongside students who have what it takes?
The honors classes here are about 90 percent minority and only 10 percent White. Almost exclusively Asian. Many Asians have left the top public schools this year due to being online and formed their own exclusively learning pods with other Asian families. They pooled up to hire private teachers to get their kids accelerated in English, math, and science rather than learn to the leftist propoganda of the public schools. Very common for 11-12 year olds to study 2 years of High School Level Algebra with their tutors. What will leftists say when these Asian kids return to public schools 4-5 years ahead of their white peers when the schools re-open?
They'll invent a term like "Asian privilege." I'm not being sarcastic. Leftists already call Asians "white adjacent," but there's no uniform definition for this and no criteria for it. It's just another example of leftists savaging vocabulary to make words fit their benighted and delusional ideas, narratives, and utterly perverse, sickening, and pathetically unrealistic agendas.
This is an example of that. Close the income gap, close the education gap, etc, etc. That wording was chosen very carefully.
There are 3 ways to close a gap.
1. Bring the bottom, up.
2. Bring the top, down.
3. Both.
A rational person says that number 1 is the only way this should be done. Thats why a rational person is not trying to close gaps. A rational person tries to lift up the people at the bottom. Numbers 2 & 3 are both destructive forces.
The left, on the other hand, is always trying to close gaps. Meaning, they don't care which of the three methods are used in order to do that. The important part is that the gap is closed. That everyone has equal outcomes.
Kamala Harris said it.... everyone ends in up the same place.
(some will have mental impairment due to birth defects due to drugs, lead paint or whatever)
This is a key point actually. It seems that you, like many people, associate low IQ with physical defects. And if your knowledge of the topic is mostly anecdotal, based on your own middle or upper class circle of acquaintances, this might make perfect sense. Every sub-85 IQ kid you've ever met might have had some kind of physical problem associated with that. But go to a majority black school and watch all the perfectly healthy, normal kids running around the playground and realize that about half of them actually have sub-85 IQs. These kids can grow up and do whatever, have fulfilling lives, but they won't become "mathguys".
The linked article below should be cause for concern. Shorn of bureaucratic and educational jargon, this means that successful students should be held down to the level of students in single-parent homes, multiple siblings, no discipline and utter chaos. See linked article, excerpts below:
the majority of chinese citizens in china aren't allowed to vote for policy makers, bettafish, but you knew that.
That's true.
However, China's leadership - however Machiavellian it is - isn't susceptible to the whims of what Chinese netizens mockingly call "baizuo" (white left). They laugh at the hypocrisy of western (white) leftists.
They are only concerned about the best and brightest - whether it's for sports (Olympics), science, engineering, math, technology.... they want the very best of the very best to attend the best available universities, whether in China or elsewhere, so they may then return and use their intellect, knowledge, and skills to further the development of China's industry, science, and technology.
The People's Republic of China has no need to accommodate aggrieved people who claim to be oppressed and who demand special dispensations because of what happened centuries ago. If anything, given how many people died due to Mao's follies such as the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, there are millions of Chinese alive today who technically would have a case to demand reparations from the Communist Party because in their lifetimes, a relative died either due to lack caused by the former or to government action by the latter. Not that China has the freedoms to allow its people to make such petitions, but at least those people have a far more recent complaint than people here who demand reparations for slavery.
China's economy already rivals America's; it left Japan behind a long time ago, and it seeks only the most intelligent, capable, gifted, and qualified people to enter its best schools and to fill the most cognitively demanding positions of its economy, industries, and bureaucracy.
Meanwhile here in the U.S., innocent white and Asian children and teenagers get screwed repeatedly because they are consistently superior in performance to students from other races, and they're being punished in the name of equality and social justice. White and Asian liberals who agree with this would have a seizure if it was their child getting screwed.
If you cannot satisfy a standard, you are not eligible, whether it's sports or academics or any field.
China gets this. The leftists in the U.S., some of whom admire Mao, do not, and Chinese people in China are laughing at them and at the U.S., just as they did as leftists overran police precincts, looted, and killed innocents in 2020 in the name of fighting racism. (Russians most likely laughed as well.)
Whites are privileged and Asians are a slice of their accomplished class. It’s a set up..
The two groups are apples and oranges and overarching segregation is illegal. Affirmative action is the only way to level the playing field.
Bullcrap.
Disparities in examination results and in academic performance between whites and Asians vs. other minorities have been documented for decades. Billions have been poured into schools and the disparities persist. If there is "white supremacy" which leftists claim explains these decades of disparity, why does this "white supremacy" somehow not work on Asians?
Eventually no one with means will send their children to public schools.
Good. That means classes will have less students and they will get more one on one time.
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