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Old 03-03-2021, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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I thought I was pretty clear with the sentence I used. Wartime scenarios are created/facilitated so that defense contractors get government contracts and enrich themselves. Normalcy.

Trump didn't do that. He fought to make them impotent using weaponry and sanctions. We didn't see much military action near the end of his term. Troops were coming home. We did see peace deals sprouting up. That's not normal. Peace is not profit.
The question then is if Trump was so great at this...

Why did all of "his" generals quit in disgust.
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Old 03-03-2021, 11:31 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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The question then is if Trump was so great at this...

Why did all of "his" generals quit in disgust.
I suppose because they missed fighting wars.
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Old 03-03-2021, 11:50 AM
 
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Trump ran on increasing defense spending (after the tea party jammed in the sequester under Obama), increased defense spending while in office, threatened to nuke countries over twitter, and dropped substantial ordinance in Syria. Trump pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal (like it or not) and assassinated one of Iran's top military figures. That was not peace.
He dealt with what existed what whatever tools necessary - weaponry, sanctions, threats... whatever.

They figured out he meant business in the way he dealt with them militarily. He did not play patty cake with them. He dropped a MOAB on them. He wiped out their top terrorist. When they saw and felt he meant business, and had success in his strategy, they stood down and didn't do much else. Then he started bring troops home and brokering peace deals.

These are facts that are not arguable.
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Old 03-03-2021, 11:52 AM
 
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The question then is if Trump was so great at this...

Why did all of "his" generals quit in disgust.
Who cares?

Ask them.

You can always find something complain about if you try hard enough.

Peace in the middle east was supposed to be the great triumph of mankind... until it began to be a reality with Trump. Now it's "what about the generals?" Give me a break...
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Old 03-03-2021, 12:00 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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This is an existing conflict and we're already involved; the last President didn't withdraw US troops from Iraq, so the current President gets to inherit the situation.

Possibly somebody is sending a message regarding US relations with Iran.
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Old 03-03-2021, 12:33 PM
 
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https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...defense-budget

OP implied that tax dollars will go to defense now that Trump is out of office, implying that Trump reduced defense spending. This is clearly not true.
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Old 03-03-2021, 01:04 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I mean, we've only been there long enough for the sons of soldiers to be sent there after their dads were,

the Iraqi people voted to kick us out after 2 decades.

We didn't need their vote to invade/occupy, we damn sure don't need their vote to leave them to their own devices. I believe the US should have a very simple ME policy, tell every country in the region they can either learn to live together or die together, it's not our problem. But, mess with the US and they will be vaporized.
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Old 03-03-2021, 01:42 PM
 
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https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...defense-budget

OP implied that tax dollars will go to defense now that Trump is out of office, implying that Trump reduced defense spending. This is clearly not true.
You're not getting it.

Defense is going to spend the money - but on whom? If peace is allowed to persist, there will not be a need to spend money on defense contractors that support middle east operations.
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Old 03-03-2021, 02:04 PM
 
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You're not getting it.

Defense is going to spend the money - but on whom? If peace is allowed to persist, there will not be a need to spend money on defense contractors that support middle east operations.
Here is what you posted, verbatim:

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The Defense Industry loves the return to normalcy as their pockets will once again be full of defense contract money which I will be paying them.
So now you're moving the goalposts.
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Old 03-03-2021, 02:04 PM
 
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I thought I was pretty clear with the sentence I used. Wartime scenarios are created/facilitated so that defense contractors get government contracts and enrich themselves. Normalcy.

Trump didn't do that. He fought to make them impotent using weaponry and sanctions. We didn't see much military action near the end of his term. Troops were coming home. We did see peace deals sprouting up. That's not normal. Peace is not profit.
Action was happening, it just was not spoken of very much.

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This is an existing conflict and we're already involved; the last President didn't withdraw US troops from Iraq, so the current President gets to inherit the situation.

Possibly somebody is sending a message regarding US relations with Iran.
The current President is dealing with some of that crap from when he was Vice President.
Troops are not coming out of places, in fact I know people who are gearing up to go back overseas...which was planned two years ago.
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