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Old 03-04-2021, 04:50 PM
 
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All RIGHT. The good old-fashioned original "Filibuster".

It was descended from the old Senate rules, which said that anybody could get up an talk about the bill... or anything else they want... for as long as they wanted. Nobody could stop them unless somebody called for "Cloture", which meant calling for a vote to cut off debate... and it took a 75% supermajority to cut off "debate". (Later changed to 60% in 1975 I believe).

Sometimes the minority would begin talking. And talking. And talking. And by Senate rules at the time, no other bills or other business may be discussed until the talking stopped. The idea was to hold up all Senate business, and thus draw the attention of **THE MEDIA**, who would start running articles saying "What on earth are those Senators doing, let's examine it closely, etc. etc.

Minority Senators would skillfully yield time to one another, which kept anyone from interrupting or stopping them. They would bring in food and drink. They would bring in cots to the Senate chamber to sleep on, each Senator in the minority party being woken up in time to get yielded to. They would read the bill ten times. They would read the Bible. The would read the New York phone book. Backward.

When the media finally started asking the minority Senators what on earth they were doing, they would explain VERY PUBLICLY why they thought the bill was so bad, and must not be allowed to pass even though the majority wanted to pass it. It often generated enough calls from PO'd citizens to the majority Senators, that some of them started changing their intended vote. When that happened enough times, the minority finally stopped talking, and let the vote happen, and the bill would be voted down. They hoped.

When the cloture-vote supermajority was changed to 60% in 1975, they also changed the rule saying no other business could be done in the Senate during the filibuster. That formed today's "silent filibuster", where the Senate minority leader simply indicates the minority would filibuster. And that would change a 51% vote needed to pass the bill, essentially to a 60% vote to end the silent "filibuster" and THEN a second vote to pass the bill by 51%.

It basically destroyed the whole purpose of the filibuster, which was to cause a huge hooraw and attract a lot of attention, so the voterrs get more involved and start telling their Senators what they wanted them to do. Now the Senate Minority Leader simply indicates a filibuster, the required margin shifts from 51% to 60%, the bill gets quietly dropped, and business goes on.

But today when the minority Senators call a filibuster, it doesn't HAVE to be a "silent filibuster". They can start talking, and talking, etc., just like in the days of old.

And that's exactly what they are doing right now.


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Doesn't that violate the Geneva Convention as cruel and unusual punishment??
Just being a member of Congress does that.

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Old 03-04-2021, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Deepest Darkest NZ
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Hehe....way to go, Ron! They wanted them to vote on it to find out what was in it.... (Only 9% has anything to do with Covid, btw).


Republican Sen. Ron Johnson forces Senate to read all 628 pages of Biden's COVID bill aloud

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ud/4582579001/

WASHINGTON – Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wisc., forced the Senate to begin reading all 628 pages of President Joe Biden's $1.9 trillion COVID bill aloud on the Senate floor Thursday, further delaying a vote on the legislation Democrats hope to make law by next week.

Johnson said his tactic was about “educating” the American public on what was in the $1.9 trillion package, which he has derided as full of provisions unrelated to COVID relief. The entire process could take at least 10 hours.
If it was not belittling to dog-whippers and cow-worriers, I would describe Johnson as suxh.
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Old 03-04-2021, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Silver Spring, MD
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They wanted them to vote on it to find out what was in it.... (Only 9% has anything to do with Covid, btw).
Could you please list the 9% of Covid only items and the 91% that has nothing to do with COVID?
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Old 03-04-2021, 04:54 PM
 
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I think it’s a good idea to bring out all the pork in this so-called “COVID” bill. Very little of it goes to help people or small businesses.
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Old 03-04-2021, 04:54 PM
 
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And in today's news of petty stunts to obstruct progress...
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Old 03-04-2021, 04:55 PM
 
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Juvenile stunt.
Why?

You can see the nonsense way bills are made. They are couched in a bunch of legal lingo and money allocations are hidden in the myriad of title and code numbers.

Why do you need all of this to give relief to Americans? It takes a few lines of text. Not 628 pages...
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Old 03-04-2021, 04:57 PM
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Damn morons.
A covid relief bill should be that, and only that, “covid relief”.
Anyone, ANYONE, who tries to defend passing this stupid ripoff garbage nonsense needs a swift kick in the ass. You are NOT American. You are an idiot.
This country sucks.
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Old 03-04-2021, 04:57 PM
 
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I think it’s a good idea to bring out all the pork in this so-called “COVID” bill. Very little of it goes to help people or small businesses.
What is your source on this? Can you please explain how "very little of it goes to help people"
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Old 03-04-2021, 04:59 PM
 
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They are doing a bunch of the unrelated allocations now. They are reserving a ton of money until a certain day - and then putting it in the general fund if not used by a certain day.
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Old 03-04-2021, 04:59 PM
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What is your source on this? Can you please explain how "very little of it goes to help people"
Really? It’s all out there. A tiny percentage aka “scraps” goes to taxpaying American citizens.
Christ sakes man
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