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Old 03-06-2021, 04:14 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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America has the richest poor people on earth. If you’re going to be poor, America is the place to be.

And soon you’ll have a $15 minimal wage, no excuse to be poor then.
We do give a lot to the poor in terms of welfare..

However, I see it differently.

We give them enough to sustain poverty levels of living.

But we don't give them the opportunities to get out of poverty. For one.. crappy schools.
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Old 03-06-2021, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Houston
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She came here at 17 with $300 and didn’t speak English. Today she’s working for NASA and in charge of the Perseverance.

Now, I don’t expect the poor to become a rocketsmith, but at the bare minimum, they shouldn’t be in prison or on welfare, no?

So what’s wrong with them? Why so many of them can’t make it?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Trujillo
It helps that she is smart. Definitely a few IQ points above the typical dumbass poor person.

Snooki would be a better example.
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Old 03-06-2021, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Houston
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We do give a lot to the poor in terms of welfare..

However, I see it differently.

We give them enough to sustain poverty levels of living.

But we don't give them the opportunities to get out of poverty. For one.. crappy schools.
Maybe it's crappy students with crappy parents.
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Old 03-06-2021, 04:18 PM
 
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What makes you think the poor can't make it? Many do. I've seen it.

The first step for them usually, is to get the heck out of a red conservative area with low economic mobility, and move to a liberal area with high economic mobility.

It's not easy because they're starting at the bottom with usually no support or safety net, but I've seen plenty of poor worked their up.


The problem with many people is that they fail to realize that the poor class is not static - plenty of poor move up the economic ladder and their spaces are filled by newly arrived poor. All they see is this group of roughly the same number of poor, what they don't see is that this group is constantly having people moving in an out. At least in the liberal blue areas.

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Lol high economic mobility? San Fran and LA are prime examples of giving unlimited welfare and they're 2 of the scummiest cities on earth with massive wealth inequality that demtards claim to despise.
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Old 03-06-2021, 04:21 PM
 
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We do give a lot to the poor in terms of welfare..

However, I see it differently.

We give them enough to sustain poverty levels of living.

But we don't give them the opportunities to get out of poverty. For one.. crappy schools.

The schools are crap because they raise crap humans. Stop paying people to reproduce and we will eliminate a bunch of the pos kids and bottom feeder class. It would eliminate a bunch of dem voters but if they care about people as they claim they would be ok with it.
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Old 03-06-2021, 04:22 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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It's society's fault that schools are funded by local property taxes. Low tax base = underfunded schools.

It's society's fault that teacher salaries are set low, therefore failing to attract the cream of the crop who want a career and not a life mission.

It's society's fault that the results of high stakes tests are used in ways that are arguable invalid, diverting precious monetary resources to the curriculum/test-prep/remediation industrial complex.

It's society's fault that the "solution" is in the form of vouchers for kids lucky enough to have parents willing to take the time and make the effort to apply, even when the choice of acceptance always lies with the school, not the parent, thereby tacitly accepting that it's okay to have poor schools if the children didn't have the luck to be born to parents who were better able to take care of them.

It's society's fault that we don't value children enough to ensure that every child, no matter who their parents are nor where they live, gets a high-quality educational experience.

If our society ensured that every school had high-quality facilities and staff, even in the poorest communities, then our society would more than likely produce more taxpayers from those communities rather than assistance-dependent families where it takes three jobs to make ends meet. It's a matter of priorities.
I agree with all of this... repped!

I'm generally in the middle politically.. most of those that know me I lean slightly left on social issues...

However, here's the more conservative side of me now talking and I'll add my 2 cents to the top:

We cannot sustain educating the children of illegal families... it is a huge strain on the system. My wife sees the ramifications in the poor districts that have a large percentage of undocumented children of illegal families. It leads to overcrowded classrooms and underfunding. As much as i want to provide for these children who are here through no decision of their own, it takes away from the children that belong in those classrooms. A disproportionate number of these school districts supporting undocumented children are poor districts.
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Old 03-06-2021, 04:23 PM
 
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Maybe it's crappy students with crappy parents.

Thats all you get when you pay welfare scum to reproduce.
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Old 03-06-2021, 04:25 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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Maybe it's crappy students with crappy parents.
You don't know this...

Plenty of good people are poor... Are you saying Oprah (only because she was mentioned already) is a crappy person because she was born in poverty?

Or are you implying all poor people are crappy?

Plenty of wealthy criminals and crappy people... or do you only focus on people you dislike?

Poor communities don't corner the market for crappy people... are you saying otherwise?

I was born into poverty as well.... doing just fine compared to my friends who remain poor. I was lucky.... parents were only in poverty because of being recently immigrated and they had resources (education) to get me out of there and into better area for a childhood. Not everyone is as lucky.
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Old 03-06-2021, 04:27 PM
 
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America has the richest poor people on earth. If you’re going to be poor, America is the place to be.

And soon you’ll have a $15 minimal wage, no excuse to be poor then.
Yup!

1931 poor: fourth floor walk-up, shared bathroom with other tenants, heat only between 6 pm and 10 pm, one small radio the entire family shared, chicken wing and watered-down soup for dinner, walk six blocks to get the ice to save the one penny extra for delivery, and lodger sleeping on the sofa

2021 poor: apartment with heat and a/c, Apple IPhones, private bathroom, big-screen color TVs, food stamps to provide food, Medicaid for health care, free lunches and breakfasts for the kids, and subsidized housing
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Old 03-06-2021, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Houston
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You don't know this...

Plenty of good people are poor... Are you saying Oprah (only because she was mentioned already) is a crappy person because she was born in poverty?

Or are you implying all poor people are crappy?

Plenty of wealthy criminals and crappy people... or do you only focus on people you dislike?

Poor communities don't corner the market for crappy people... are you saying otherwise?

I was born into poverty as well.... doing just fine compared to my friends who remain poor. I was lucky.... parents were only in poverty because of being recently immigrated and they had resources (education) to get me out of there and into better area for a childhood. Not everyone is as lucky.
Yes, you didn't have crappy parents.
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