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Hard to know an excess since it isnt even complete.
The FLCC and Steve Kirsch are well informed about Ivermectin and Fluvoxamine, however you have reached a different conclusion than yourself, and thats ok.
Some people will take the VAERS data and come to a different conclusion as well.
Why do you not understand there is no way to make any conclusion from VAERS reports? None. Nada. Zip. Zero.
Fluvoxamine is too new on the scene to know anything.
There is no compelling evidence that ivermectin works. Studies too small, no proper controls.
In Gibraltar, if the covid vaccine is causing deaths why would the death rate drop so much as the number of people given the vaccine rose so much? It doesn't make sense, your entire theory is rubbish, I know it, you know it, and I'm patient in exposing you no matter how much you try to steer the topic to something else like VAERS.
There is window of time where jab makes you more vulnerable, we would better understand that if we knew how many who were jabbed then died. We might also come up with a better strategy for vaccinating..
There is window of time where jab makes you more vulnerable, we would better understand that if we knew how many who were jabbed then died. We might also come up with a better strategy for vaccinating..
No, there is no "window of time where jab makes you more vulnerable". There is a window of time before the vaccine is maximally effective. You can still catch the virus during that time.
There is window of time where jab makes you more vulnerable
You say this but have done absolutely nothing to prove it, and the only data we have shows you're just making this up.
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we would better understand that if we knew how many who were jabbed then died. We might also come up with a better strategy for vaccinating..
In Gibraltar the more people that got jabbed, the less people died. Exactly opposite of what you were claiming.
If the vaccine caused the spike in deaths as you claimed, that spike would have only gotten worse as more people were vaccinated. That didn't happen though, so we all know you've been making things up and been completely incapable of defending your argument.
I believe your source has been shot down by the actual Gibraltar numbers.
No matter how often you say it, VAERS reports are not evidence of correlation or causation. They are just reports which are being monitored to see if there is an excess of reports of specified conditions. That is all VAERS can do. The very fact that you are insistent on bringing up VAERS shows you do not understand it. Most lay people probably cannot either. It cannot be used to make an informed decision about taking the vaccine.
The problem is that people get concerned about tiny, tiny, tiny risks of the vaccine and ignore the risks of the disease.
The vaccines do indeed take time to work. That is why everyone who is vaccinated is advised to continue to use mitigation measures until enough time is passed that protection can be presumed.
There is now evidence that the Pfizer vaccine prevents infection and transmission. Since the Moderna vaccine works the same way it is likely true for it, too.
Why are people repeating this idiotic statement? It's a vaccine. That is why it is called a vaccine.
Its modus operandi is different but the result is the same as any traditional vaccine.
Suzy, you’re shooting down actual experts and refuting it with people like Edward Nirenberg who is about as far from an expert on anything public health related as one could get. He has a Bachelors degree in science and likes to write articles. That is it. Lol.
I know the playbook. I have seen it a thousand times before. Anyone who speaks up with ANY concerns about any vaccine is immediately “discredited” and “debunked” always by the same bloggers that you seem to love who appear to be nothing but pro pharma shills.
You say this but have done absolutely nothing to prove it, and the only data we have shows you're just making this up.
Their health minister already admitted to some dying after the jab, how many was it? Citizens were concerned they had 16 deaths all year and all of sudden had 53 after the jab.. so crazy they want someone to look into it, far more deaths than occurred for this blood clot investigation with several countries suspending the AZ shot. Some people take dying seriously.
Suzy, you’re shooting down actual experts and refuting it with people like Edward Nirenberg who is about as far from an expert on anything public health related as one could get. He has a Bachelors degree in science and likes to write articles. That is it. Lol.
I know the playbook. I have seen it a thousand times before. Anyone who speaks up with ANY concerns about any vaccine is immediately “discredited” and “debunked” always by the same bloggers that you seem to love who appear to be nothing but pro pharma shills.
Calling someone a pharma shill is a form of ad hominem. It is your resort when you cannot refute someone who says what you do not want to hear. You might want to give that one up. It does not show you in a favorable light.
Nirenberg is not the only one who has pointed out the problems with Vanden Bossche's opinion - and it is opinion, not research. It is also a weird opinion. If we had not vaccinated during epidemics smallpox and polio would still be with us. The measles outbreaks in the US in recent years were stopped with vaccination.
Legitimate concerns are fine. It is understandable that people are worried. However, even if every internet story about a "serious adverse event" from a COVID-19 vaccine were to be truly due to the vaccine (they are not) there is no way the vaccine is more dangerous than getting COVID-19. There is not a single confirmed death from the vaccine. The disease maxed out at a bit over 4,000 deaths a day, just deaths, not counting the misery of being sick, and not counting the misery of persistent symptoms, and not counting the people with permanent disabilities from strokes, amputations, and lung and heart scarring.
The material you are posting is not supported by other virologists and vaccine and immunology experts. It just is not.
Can you refute anything Nirenberg posted. Anything? What does he say that is wrong? You say he likes to write articles. I chose his because it is clear and easy to read. If he is wrong surely you can tell us why.
Their health minister already admitted to some dying after the jab, how many was it? Citizens were concerned they had 16 deaths all year and all of sudden had 53 after the jab.. so crazy they want someone to look into it, far more deaths than occurred for this blood clot investigation with several countries suspending the AZ shot. Some people take dying seriously.
Gibraltar has clearly been explained to you. You need to move on. The vaccine is not killing people in Gibraltar (or anywhere else). The timeline has been explained to you. You have been misled by people who sound sciencey but who have made a mess of their attempt to rearrange statistics to suit a preconceived narrative that is fundamentally antivaccine.
Repeating misinformation does not make it no longer misinformation.
Why do you not understand there is no way to make any conclusion from VAERS reports? None. Nada. Zip. Zero.
you already stated we can though...they look for excessive adverse effects.
"They are just reports which are being monitored to see if there is an excess of reports of specified conditions"
and the data is public for good reason.
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Fluvoxamine is too new on the scene to know anything.
There is no compelling evidence that ivermectin works. Studies too small, no proper controls.
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On January 22, 2021, twenty key opinion leaders (KOL) from NIH, CDC, and leading academic institutions met to review the evidence for using fluvoxamine for treating COVID.
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they voted overwhelmingly (11 to 5 with 4 being neutral) in favor of having doctors talk to their patients about using fluvoxamine if they have COVID using a "shared decision making" process."
yes, lets not save any lives prematurely with these drugs approved 20+ years ago. Lets stick with vax that has almost no history ... oh oh and that high priced Remdesivir, cant have Pharma going broke. If people knew about these drugs... they might forego the vax.. Lets not confuse the sheeple.
Gibraltar has clearly been explained to you. You need to move on.The vaccine is not killing people in Gibraltar (or anywhere else). The timeline has been explained to you. You have been misled by people who sound sciencey but who have made a mess of their attempt to rearrange statistics to suit a preconceived narrative that is fundamentally antivaccine.
Repeating misinformation does not make it no longer misinformation.
Its a public message board, he wanted to keep discussing it, people disagree.
Your same argument is being used against the blood clot investigation, and you are free to disagree with all the countries deciding to suspend AZ if you want. There are people on both sides of it. Sometimes people disagree.
The Nakim engineers are actively defending their position if you want to follow along. Imo they have much stronger case than the blood clots.
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