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Old 03-26-2021, 06:43 PM
 
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healthimpactnews? Lol.
So if its all true then, theres a problem? Cross check if you dare..

 
Old 03-26-2021, 06:46 PM
 
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So if its all true then, theres a problem? Cross check if you dare..
What is true is that people die all the time with or without the vaccine and at any age. You can look up the percentages for different age groups. Problem? Faux interpretation is the problem.
 
Old 03-26-2021, 07:05 PM
 
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Yes, I think it's irresponsible to not get a vaccine that is about 95% effective during a pandemic.
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Old 03-26-2021, 07:06 PM
 
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What is true is that people die all the time with or without the vaccine and at any age. You can look up the percentages for different age groups. Problem? Faux interpretation is the problem.
Look up the AZ investigation into blood clots in Europe, something we arent doing over here. They could have easily ignored it and said they were in the normal range for the population(many people did, maybe you could relate to them). Close your eyes if you want..
 
Old 03-26-2021, 07:29 PM
 
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Look up the AZ investigation into blood clots in Europe, something we arent doing over here. They could have easily ignored it and said they were in the normal range for the population(many people did, maybe you could relate to them). Close your eyes if you want..
Well, they were in the normal range for the population ...
 
Old 03-26-2021, 07:55 PM
 
Location: California Central Coast
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There is so much misinformation in this thread alone, and I'm frustrated because people are going to believe it

You could help that quite a bit by not posting so many things that aren't true.


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The thing is the risk of the disease is far, far, far, far greater than the risk of the vaccine.

The same goes for you, in spades. If you didn't post so many things that aren't true, people wouldn't be so misled by your statements.
 
Old 03-26-2021, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Sure, people die of blood clots every day too. A little research tied several of the clots back to the jab, ALL under 55.

Great, then Moderna SHOULD STAND UP LOUD AND PROUD and say why they went from abandoning this technology to where we are today. Cant even be bothered to answer a VERY reasonable question about its safety, maybe we shouldnt be bothered to take their mystery shot...last thing I would be jabbing myself with.

From Moderna

-Gene therapies and mRNA based medicines may activate one or more immune responses against any and all components of the drug product (e.g., the mRNA or the delivery vehicle, such as a lipid nanoparticle (LNP)) as well as against the encoded protein, giving rise to potential immune reaction related adverse events

-While we have continued to optimize our LNPs, there can be no assurance that our LNPs will not have undesired effects. Our LNPs could contribute, in whole or in part, to one or more of the following: immune reactions, infusion reactions, complement reactions, opsonation reactions, antibody reactions including IgA, IgM, IgE or IgG or some combination thereof, or reactions to the PEG from some lipids or PEG otherwise associated with the LNP.


In a letter to Dr. Peter Marks,16 director of the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, the Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN) questioned whether LNPs are safe, as research shows they readily enter the brain
Obviously Moderna never abandoned the technology, so the rest of your post is a flop.

I am not surprised that Moderna wants nothing to do with anti-vaxer Del Bigtree or other and others of his ilk.

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Originally Posted by Rom623 View Post
Look up the AZ investigation into blood clots in Europe, something we arent doing over here. They could have easily ignored it and said they were in the normal range for the population(many people did, maybe you could relate to them). Close your eyes if you want..
Adverse reactions are being investigated in the US. CDC report as of February:

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/me...himabukuro.pdf

Data from the Vaccine Safety Datalink, which uses information from patient charts : outpatient, ER, and inpatient.

Blood clots are no more frequent in people who are vaccinated than in the general population. See slide #20.

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The same goes for you, in spades. If you didn't post so many things that aren't true, people would be able to make better decisions.
I post facts and evidence to support them. Would you care to tell me what I have posted that is not true? Rebut them with facts and evidence?
 
Old 03-26-2021, 08:38 PM
 
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Obviously Moderna never abandoned the technology, so the rest of your post is a flop.

I am not surprised that Moderna wants nothing to do with anti-vaxer Del Bigtree or other and others of his ilk.
The safety concerns were Moderna's own words.. close your eyes if you want.

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Blood clots are no more frequent in people who are vaccinated than in the general population. See slide #20.
We can put that on their epitaph..Hopefully women in Europe and elsewhere are smart/informed enough to take natto or some other anti-coagulant in conjunction with the AZ shot.
 
Old 03-26-2021, 09:56 PM
 
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There are no guarantees. That includes the idea that one's perfect immune system will save him from COVID-19.
Exactly. It also includes the idea that not taking the vaccine will doom him to COVID-19.

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It's quite relevant because it shows how absurd your "100% or nothing" stance is.
Your words not mine, despite the erroneous quotation marks. Obviously my statement went right over your head.
 
Old 03-26-2021, 10:24 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Rom623 View Post
Sure, people die of blood clots every day too. A little research tied several of the clots back to the jab, ALL under 55.

Great, then Moderna SHOULD STAND UP LOUD AND PROUD and say why they went from abandoning this technology to where we are today. Cant even be bothered to answer a VERY reasonable question about its safety, maybe we shouldnt be bothered to take their mystery shot...last thing I would be jabbing myself with.

From Moderna

-Gene therapies and mRNA based medicines may activate one or more immune responses against any and all components of the drug product (e.g., the mRNA or the delivery vehicle, such as a lipid nanoparticle (LNP)) as well as against the encoded protein, giving rise to potential immune reaction related adverse events

-While we have continued to optimize our LNPs, there can be no assurance that our LNPs will not have undesired effects. Our LNPs could contribute, in whole or in part, to one or more of the following: immune reactions, infusion reactions, complement reactions, opsonation reactions, antibody reactions including IgA, IgM, IgE or IgG or some combination thereof, or reactions to the PEG from some lipids or PEG otherwise associated with the LNP.


In a letter to Dr. Peter Marks,16 director of the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, the Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN) questioned whether LNPs are safe, as research shows they readily enter the brain
Thank you for this info.
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