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Old 03-13-2021, 09:58 AM
 
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They had severe reactions among some patients in the trials for the mRNA vaccines. They changed the formulation and excluded or limited the use of volunteers who were very young (< 16), very old, or had immune system dysfunction.

Moderna

I would be concerned that people with overactive immune systems will experience organ failures from cytokine storms.
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Old 03-13-2021, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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If symptoms develop right after the vaccine? Most likely it was the vaccine.
Logical fallacy, one you have difficulty understanding.

https://www2.palomar.edu/users/bthom...ally%20ordered.

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“Autopsy shows the kidneys failed. Kidney failure is cause of death in otherwise healthy person, no reason known why they failed”
The autopsy would most likely identify the cause of kidney failure, though.
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Old 03-13-2021, 10:01 AM
 
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Logical fallacy, one you have difficulty understanding.

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The autopsy would most likely identify the cause of kidney failure, though.
. The chief medical examiner in Utah disagrees with you that autopsy would be able to pick up if a vaccine was involved unless it was due to anaphylaxis.
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Old 03-13-2021, 10:04 AM
 
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. The chief medical examiner in Utah disagrees with you that autopsy would be able to pick up if a vaccine was involved unless it was due to anaphylaxis.
The autopsy could provide evidence for another cause, whether you want to understand it or not.
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Old 03-13-2021, 10:05 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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IF your doctor isn't an expert, WHY do you go to him?
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Old 03-13-2021, 10:06 AM
 
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The autopsy could provide evidence for another cause, whether you want to understand it or not.
Just going in circles, I see. Have fun.
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Old 03-13-2021, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Spain
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Maybe you should reconsider calling people “anti-vaxxers when discussing an issue (vaccines were not even mentioned until you threw that slur out there) which is a derogatory term by the way, if you feel it is a desperate move and if you dislike being labelled.
You're an anti-vaxxer, right? I mean, I could be wrong but from my encounters with you I'd say you have a consistent pattern of claiming vaccines are dangerous, unnecessary, etc. which is exactly what an anti-vaxxer is. I'm puzzled at to why you're trying to hide from this label, it's short for anti-vaccine which I'm sure we can all agree describes you pretty well.

Calling Suzy a shill is different because you have no evidence she has any relationship or beneficial interest with pharma/whatever, you're just throwing it out there as a catch-all for someone who doesn't agree with your anti-science viewpoints.

Do you see the difference?
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Old 03-13-2021, 10:56 AM
 
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You're an anti-vaxxer, right? I mean, I could be wrong but from my encounters with you I'd say you have a consistent pattern of claiming vaccines are dangerous, unnecessary, etc. which is exactly what an anti-vaxxer is. I'm puzzled at to why you're trying to hide from this label, it's short for anti-vaccine which I'm sure we can all agree describes you pretty well.

Calling Suzy a shill is different because you have no evidence she has any relationship or beneficial interest with pharma/whatever, you're just throwing it out there as a catch-all for someone who doesn't agree with your anti-science viewpoints.

Do you see the difference?
Anti-vaxxer is a derogatory term. Don’t call people derogatory terms, if you don’t want them thrown back at you. I am not “against all vaccines”. I’m for choice. That is all. I am also not “anti science”. There is no need to be a bully just because you have a different point of view.
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Old 03-13-2021, 11:55 AM
 
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Anti-vaxxer is a derogatory term.
Would you be okay with some more neutral like "person who posts a lot about how vaccines are dangerous and not useful?"


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I am also not “anti science”
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The field of science is corrupt.
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Old 03-13-2021, 06:40 PM
 
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You can find more results on duck duck go than Google but not much. Autopsy cannot attribute deaths to the vaccine unless the cause is anaphylaxis. There is no way to know if the vaccine led to one’s death. How convenient.
Yes and they will always say this!! (Keeps them from bieng sued,etc...)
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