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Old 03-11-2021, 10:11 PM
 
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I tried to tell a friend of mine who is quite the sheeple these cases of people dying after this "vaccine" and she said "Those stories are not true... Stop sending me this stuff,im not interested"

Its indeed really sad how blinded most people are!!
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Old 03-11-2021, 10:31 PM
 
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Do you even understand what a shill is or just parroting an anti-vax meme?
Are you a doctor or in the medical field?
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Old 03-12-2021, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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I tried to tell a friend of mine who is quite the sheeple these cases of people dying after this "vaccine" and she said "Those stories are not true... Stop sending me this stuff,im not interested"

Its indeed really sad how blinded most people are!!
I found a couple articles related to the 39 year old woman's death. All have said that there is no definitive link between the deaths and the vaccine. Autopsies will tell what happened.

"Outside of vaccine related anaphylaxis, making a case for vaccine injury is difficult. Some of the deaths could be tied to undiagnosed severe illness." According to Johns Hopkins the fatality ratio for Covid is 1.8% in the USA. Out of 90 million vaccines already distributed there have been 960 deaths. Those same anti vaxxers will say that Covid is no big deal yet, say a vaccine that may or may not have been responsible for a minuscule amount of deaths should not be taken. That's 0.000010666666 vs 1.8 with Covid. I'll take my chance with the vaccine.

Source" Drugdiscoverytrends.com. 39 year old Utah woman dies after getting second dose of Covid-19 vaccine."

Yes it is sad how blinded most people are. Research is your friend.
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Old 03-12-2021, 07:54 AM
 
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I found a couple articles related to the 39 year old woman's death. All have said that there is no definitive link between the deaths and the vaccine. Autopsies will tell what happened.

"Outside of vaccine related anaphylaxis, making a case for vaccine injury is difficult. Some of the deaths could be tied to undiagnosed severe illness." According to Johns Hopkins the fatality ratio for Covid is 1.8% in the USA. Out of 90 million vaccines already distributed there have been 960 deaths. Those same anti vaxxers will say that Covid is no big deal yet, say a vaccine that may or may not have been responsible for a minuscule amount of deaths should not be taken. That's 0.000010666666 vs 1.8 with Covid. I'll take my chance with the vaccine.

Source" Drugdiscoverytrends.com. 39 year old Utah woman dies after getting second dose of Covid-19 vaccine."

Yes it is sad how blinded most people are. Research is your friend.
Autopsy can’t pick up whether the vaccine contributed to death unless the death was due to anaphylaxis. That is what the medical examiner said in regards to the autopsy for the Utah mother who died days after her vaccine.

It’s a shame that safe drugs that have ample evidence of working in regards to covid such as ivermectin are being suppressed.
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Old 03-12-2021, 08:00 AM
 
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...ic_145376.html

Article talks about how censorship of Covid treatments the "experts" don't promote is killing people. There's a dangerous censorship of information about the Wuhan virus.

"...My story is not unique. Physicians across the country are fighting a pernicious campaign to denigrate all potential treatments not first championed by the authorities, and others have faced retaliation for speaking up. Sadly, too many of our institutions are using the pandemic as a pretext to centralize control over the practice of medicine, persecuting and canceling doctors who follow their clinical judgment and expertise.

Actually “following the science” means listening to practitioners and considering the entirety and diversity of clinical studies. That’s exactly what my colleagues and I have done. We won’t be cowed. We will speak up for our patients and do what’s right."
Doing what's right for your patients means to accept that not every doctor is an expert in every field, and to listen to the specialists in virology and epidemiology when it comes to a viral pandemic. Controlled clinical studies published in reputable peer-reviewed journals should be given more weight than anecdotal stories of miracle cures. There are over 1 million doctors in the US, most of whom are great, but sprinkled in there are a few true quacks.
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Old 03-12-2021, 08:10 AM
 
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Autopsy can’t pick up whether the vaccine contributed to death unless the death was due to anaphylaxis. That is what the medical examiner said in regards to the autopsy for the Utah mother who died days after her vaccine.

It’s a shame that safe drugs that have ample evidence of working in regards to covid such as ivermectin are being suppressed.
Suppressed? From NIH website:

Recommendation
There are insufficient data for the COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel (the Panel) to recommend either for or against the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19. Results from adequately powered, well-designed, and well-conducted clinical trials are needed to provide more specific, evidence-based guidance on the role of ivermectin in the treatment of COVID-19.


Since the last revision of this section of the Guidelines, the results of several randomized trials and retrospective cohort studies of ivermectin use in patients with COVID-19 have been published in peer-reviewed journals or have been made available as manuscripts ahead of peer review. Some clinical studies showed no benefits or worsening of disease after ivermectin use, whereas others reported shorter time to resolution of disease manifestations that were attributed to COVID-19, greater reduction in inflammatory marker levels, shorter time to viral clearance, or lower mortality rates in patients who received ivermectin than in patients who received comparator drugs or placebo.

However, most of these studies had incomplete information and significant methodological limitations, which make it difficult to exclude common causes of bias


Doctors are free to prescribe Ivermectin off-label, but the NIH and FDA would be irresponsible to recommend its use for Covid-19 given the above.
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Old 03-12-2021, 08:21 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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I'm sure it was just one of those things... young, healthy, no known issues... just dropped over for no reason. Sometimes people just die. It's like spontaneous combustion--it just happens.
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Old 03-12-2021, 08:27 AM
 
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Suppressed? From NIH website:

Recommendation
There are insufficient data for the COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel (the Panel) to recommend either for or against the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19. Results from adequately powered, well-designed, and well-conducted clinical trials are needed to provide more specific, evidence-based guidance on the role of ivermectin in the treatment of COVID-19.


Since the last revision of this section of the Guidelines, the results of several randomized trials and retrospective cohort studies of ivermectin use in patients with COVID-19 have been published in peer-reviewed journals or have been made available as manuscripts ahead of peer review. Some clinical studies showed no benefits or worsening of disease after ivermectin use, whereas others reported shorter time to resolution of disease manifestations that were attributed to COVID-19, greater reduction in inflammatory marker levels, shorter time to viral clearance, or lower mortality rates in patients who received ivermectin than in patients who received comparator drugs or placebo.

However, most of these studies had incomplete information and significant methodological limitations, which make it difficult to exclude common causes of bias


Doctors are free to prescribe Ivermectin off-label, but the NIH and FDA would be irresponsible to recommend its use for Covid-19 given the above.
Yes, suppressed. You can’t mention the word ivermectin on Facebook without getting censored. YouTube deletes videos discussing it including a video of official senate testimony about the drug from a doctor. There is a lot of evidence showing the drug works. You know that studies can be designed to fail as well as designed to show benefit. Scientific research is not free from corruption or influence especially when money is at stake.
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Old 03-12-2021, 08:29 AM
 
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My next neighbor works in the lab and is a medicine researcher. I asked him if he's getting the vaccine, he laughed and said do you know what RNA is? I said nope, he said "Well neither do most people, and its not going into my body", he then said "if I was going to do a vaccine, do the J&J version as it doesnt use RNA".
I know of two people who have phds in biology -- they both were happy and ready to get their shots.
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Old 03-12-2021, 11:06 AM
 
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My next neighbor works in the lab and is a medicine researcher. I asked him if he's getting the vaccine, he laughed and said do you know what RNA is? I said nope, he said "Well neither do most people, and its not going into my body", he then said "if I was going to do a vaccine, do the J&J version as it doesnt use RNA".
As a "medicine researcher" myself, I find this hard to believe. What is your neighbor's degree? I think he needs to go back to school.

Every cell in your body has RNA in it. The RNA in the vaccine can't do anything except produce the viral spike protein, which is what you want antibodies to. The J&J vaccine uses an adenovirus vector. I'm sure it's also safe, but a lot more that could potentially go wrong with it.
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