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Old 03-16-2021, 08:41 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Originally Posted by Quick Enough View Post
"What an erudite argument"

If you want to argue, go to DEBATE forum. You DO know we have one!

THIS is a DISCUSSION forum.

Not my fault you can't handle people have a DIFFERENT opinion then yours!

And you want to attack others.





I have "attacked" no one.
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Old 03-16-2021, 08:54 AM
 
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Point out for us the part of the 2nd amendment where it says "except for" after it says "shall not be infringed".
Its very sad that so many people justify the background checks on guns!
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Old 03-16-2021, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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If that were true then there would be no need for the law, gun shows in NY are the same as they agreed that every gun leaving the grounds would have an NICS check. But there are private sales where they are not required. Why should some sellers bypass the process.


There is no "gun show loophole".

That's just a name the anti gun Left made up to make the exception for private transfers sound bad.

The exception for private transfers is not a "loophole".

It exists by design and for good reason.

It's what allows a father to give his kid a 22 for Christmas.

It's why a husband can buy his wife a revolver for personal protection.

It's why hunting buddies can trade shotguns if they want.

It's why you can inherit your grandfather's collection of historical firearms.

All without the government interfering with the hassle and violation of 2nd amendment rights that is a background check.

And the exception for private transfers exists anyplace.....

Under the Christmas Tree.....and at a gun show.

(Gun shows don't have to allow private transfers on the property though....many do not).
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Old 03-16-2021, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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To be clear, you don't think people should have safety training before using a gun?


Should?

Yes.

Must....as in legally required?

No.

I do believe that states should be allowed to require training for carrying a gun in public though.

Much the same as is required to drive a car on public roads but not on your own property.
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Old 03-16-2021, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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NICS checks are not an infringement until the SCOTUS says they are.

Try again.


SCOTUS didn't write the Bill of Rights.

Dems have been using one excuse after the other for years to try to say that the 2nd amendment doesn't actually mean what it very plainly says.

Just because a bunch of people in black robes say it means something different doesn't make it so.
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Old 03-16-2021, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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I am specifically saying I would like if no one was able to own a gun before a full background check and passing a safety course, by a non political entity (ie, not one that lobbies like the NRA).

I am not giving an opinion of "the left". I am giving my opinion. Given how extreme right right wing this forum is, I know many will strongly disagree. That's fine, but again, this is my opinion. There is no meaningful downside to what I am suggesting.


Fair enough.

You're completely within your first amendment rights to state your opinion.

Even if it is wrong.
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Old 03-16-2021, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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If NICS checks are unconstitutional, how is it that they still exist today?



There are thousands of unconstitutional laws on the books.

Not just about guns either.

Just because SCOTUS refuses to hear or change them doesn't make them any less unconstitutional.
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Old 03-16-2021, 09:18 AM
 
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There are thousands of unconstitutional laws on the books.

Not just about guns either.

Just because SCOTUS refuses to hear or change them doesn't make them any less unconstitutional.
The govt asked itself if it did anything wrong and responded with no.
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Old 03-16-2021, 09:20 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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There is a long history of gun ownership in my family (most are in TX) All of them don't mind gun checks of some sort... or at least some closure of loopholes.

I understand the argument "Criminals don't obey laws only law biding citizens do.". If that were the low bar of justification, then that same argument can be used to eliminate almost all laws and regulations.
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Old 03-16-2021, 09:23 AM
 
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There is a long history of gun ownership in my family (most are in TX) All of them don't mind gun checks of some sort... or at least some closure of loopholes.

I understand the argument "Criminals don't obey laws only law biding citizens do.". If that were the low bar of justification, then that same argument can be used to eliminate almost all laws and regulations.
What loopholes?
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