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Besides, aren't Democrats all for giving Convicted Felons all of their rights back? Serve your time, now you get to Vote and buy a firearm
Makes perfect sense now doesn't it?
As far as convicted felons having their rights restored? I guess it would have to do with the type of crime that was committed and decided on a case by case basis? Also the the recidivism rate of any offender. As most continue their life of crime after they are released.
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Long-Term Recidivism Studies Show High Arrest Rates | Prison ... www.prisonlegalnews.org › news › 2019
May 03, 2019 · Two reports on long-term recidivism among prisoners released from state and federal prisons showed very high arrest rates. The rate for state prisoners was 83% over a nine-year study period, while it was 39.8% for nonviolent and about 64% for violent federal prisoners over an eight-year period.
"uneducated", "untrained", these are vauge, malleable terms that could mean anything the powers that be, want them to be at a given time.
I am not going to play the game of "we can't do ANYTHING because of slippery slope fallacies". Today there are no requirements for education or safety training prior to gun ownership. It is logical that should change. Discussing the extent to which training and education should take place prior to ownership makes sense.
Oh, and for all those that think backgrounds checks are the way to go for every sale? Here is our current president and his thoughts about the 4473....
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Jim Baker, the NRA representative present at the meeting, recalled the vice president’s words during an interview with The Daily Caller: “And to your point, Mr. Baker, regarding the lack of prosecutions on lying on Form 4473s, we simply don’t have the time or manpower to prosecute everybody who lies on a form, that checks a wrong box, that answers a question inaccurately.”
I am not going to play the game of "we can't do ANYTHING because of slippery slope fallacies". Today there are no requirements for education or safety training prior to gun ownership. It is logical that should change. Discussing the extent to which training and education should take place prior to ownership makes sense.
The 2nd as written recognizes an existing right (gun ownership of the individual) and is an acknowledgment that the fed govt has no authority to infringe on that right. There are no exceptions.
So you're right, we dont have to play the slipperly slope game, which really isnt that slippery, because it is a certainty that if given an inch, the state will keep taking. For further proof see this discussion and thousands of others about gun rights and laws, which if the constitution were indeed followed, wouldn't even be taking place.
By its own rulebook the fed govt has no role in gun ownership, period. That means no NICS,mental health, training or gun safety requirements. Your wishes and opinions are irrelevant to the matter.
People can lie to their heart's content, however being a violent offender, been in a mental institution, have a restraining order, etc, are all public information and well placed on the ATF checks.
That's nothing more than false "Der gonna' take em'!" fodder from the cash-grab NRA.
And when you fill out a 4473 (which you clearly have never filled one out) and lie, it's a F-E-D-E-R-A-L offence. ANd lets not forget:
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If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them... 'Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in,' I would have done it.
Care to take a guess on which senator said the above quote? Now quick, run and google the quote and act like you know what you're talking about.
I've purchased numerous firearms, and am well aware of the process, it's actually pretty seamless. I get the feeling you never have from these statements?
You're right, I've never purchased a rifle/handgun/shotgun, that's why I have not posted those pictures in the gun section of the website.
So, once again, your feelings are 100% wrong. And clearly you did not read my status from years ago.....
Stupid is thinking a convicted felon, that is well aware that owning a firearm is illegal , will try and buy a firearm knowing he will be background checked.
I can see you're trying to be logical, but it's just failing. LOL.
Holy crap. That is precisely the point. Right now, a convicted felon can buy a gun from a private seller because the seller won't know he's a felon. Under Biden's law, the seller would know and wouldn't sell him the gun. The buyer, knowing his background will be checked WON'T EVEN TRY TO BUY THE GUN (those are your words, sport). Even if he did, THE SELLER WOULDN'T SELL IT TO HIM.
Bottom line:
THE FELON WON'T BUY THE GUN. Which is precisely, exactly, the point of the law. You literally proved my point while still claiming I don't get it. Jeebus. I'm being perfect logical. Articulate why I'm not. I've completely eviscerated your "logic", but all you do is hurl insults.
Holy crap. That is precisely the point. Right now, a convicted felon can buy a gun from a private seller because the seller won't know he's a felon. Under Biden's law, the seller would know and wouldn't sell him the gun. The buyer, knowing his background will be checked WON'T EVEN TRY TO BUY THE GUN (those are your words, sport). Even if he did, THE SELLER WOULDN'T SELL IT TO HIM.
Bottom line:
THE FELON WON'T BUY THE GUN. Which is precisely, exactly, the point of the law. You literally proved my point while still claiming I don't get it. Jeebus. I'm being perfect logical. Articulate why I'm not. I've completely eviscerated your "logic", but all you do is hurl insults.
Right...
Because the war on drugs proves people never use the black market...
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