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Old 03-16-2021, 07:26 PM
 
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The Nazi version of "socialism" was, ironically, the most effective form of socialism ever attempted.
Banning unions and letting industrialists write little wishlists as to what factories in conquered territories should be left standing is a bit of a weird from of socialism, but then again the word is useless in American discourse.

It's worth remembering that a few dozen factory owners got invitations to Nuremberg - of the "You may not want to purchase a return ticket" variety - after the war. In fact, the US wartime economy was considerably more centralized and government controlled than the Nazi one.

Although that may have a lot to do with the fact that the Nazis weren't the seamless, efficient machine known from popular culture. They were a bunch of clownish thugs who stumbled into power and whose organizational skills pretty much ended at rallies and parades. Sadly, there was also a very, very competent military apparatus waiting in the wings for someone willing to give the "go" order.

 
Old 03-16-2021, 07:32 PM
 
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Please please please try to read the OP and engage with the conversation.

Hitler described what real socialism was, and to him it just a united country with individuals pursuing the enrichment of their ethnicity.

Jews he targeted were mostly poor Slavic people, not rich businessmen. He hated Marxism, and he was a conservative who opposed the social degeneracy of the 1920s.

Libertarians are not conservatives, and gun rights are uniquely American.

He was a right wing conservative, not a leftist. Just stop changing history.
He might be viewed as a conservative in the eyes of thr Anglosphere academics. But he has alot of common with the left. Also hitler was anti capitalist. He did not like the Anglo capitalist system. Right and left in thr Anglo world is very different than mainland Europe. I hope you know that hitler and lenin drank coffee at the same Café which scholars spoke about socialism. Clearly socialism influenced both hitler and lenin. Anf gasp. Mussolini was also a life long socialist too born from socialist parents. He used to work for the Avanti a socialist workers newspaper in Italy. Mussolini had a fallout with fellow socialist international socialist and crafted national socialist. Communism is international socialist while fascism and nazism is more notional socialism.
 
Old 03-16-2021, 07:52 PM
 
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Please please please try to read the OP and engage with the conversation.

Hitler described what real socialism was, and to him it just a united country with individuals pursuing the enrichment of their ethnicity.

Jews he targeted were mostly poor Slavic people, not rich businessmen. He hated Marxism, and he was a conservative who opposed the social degeneracy of the 1920s.

Libertarians are not conservatives, and gun rights are uniquely American.

He was a right wing conservative, not a leftist. Just stop changing history.
You are very good at advancing anti semitism



He spoke for the right wing cinsevatives like pilot1 andywire kavalier etc who dont know whom tbey are fighti g against.

Saying hitler wasca leftist is saying trump and reagan were republicans.

He envisioned a united socialist economy like wat we have now in funland switzerland or norway. Plus of course more living space which turned out to be a huge mistake
 
Old 03-16-2021, 08:34 PM
 
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He might be viewed as a conservative in the eyes of thr Anglosphere academics. But he has alot of common with the left. Also hitler was anti capitalist. He did not like the Anglo capitalist system. Right and left in thr Anglo world is very different than mainland Europe. I hope you know that hitler and lenin drank coffee at the same Café which scholars spoke about socialism. Clearly socialism influenced both hitler and lenin. Anf gasp. Mussolini was also a life long socialist too born from socialist parents. He used to work for the Avanti a socialist workers newspaper in Italy. Mussolini had a fallout with fellow socialist international socialist and crafted national socialist. Communism is international socialist while fascism and nazism is more notional socialism.
You clearly havent read his book. Just repeating the common lies propagated against him.

And who are as the inly capitalist cou try at thattime ? Only america. Pretty much all of europe was socialist. Winston the dix ‘s capitalism was about looting others and benefitting from it.
 
Old 03-16-2021, 08:58 PM
 
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Hitler was a Socialist. Nazi = National SOCIALISM. Even the name says it. National Socialist German Workers' Party.
That’s not why they used that name. They didn’t care what their name would be so long as it was somewhat unifying enough to get complete control of the government. So they appealed to the nationalist with National and they appealed to the socialist with Socialist and they appealed to the communist with German Workers Party. Then they made deals with the titans of capital. The three major parties in both 1930 and 1933 were the socialist, the communist and the Nazis.
 
Old 03-16-2021, 09:02 PM
 
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“’Socialist’ I define from the word ‘social’; meaning in the main ‘social equity’. A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency. Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not. Marxism places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain.”

“To be 'social' [socialist] means so to build up the state and the community of the people that every individual acts in the interest of the community of the people and must be to such an extent convinced of the goodness, of the honourable straightforwardness of this community of the people as to be ready to die for it.“

Hitler believed socialism was from the root word 'social' which meant having a united people working for the betterment of the nation, not socialism as in the abolition of private companies, class, or the creation of worker ownership.

Can people who keep hounding on Hitler for being a socialist just stop, you don't understand how the terms were used or what they mean.
Hitler, Stalin and the Woke Supremacist all marginalize and destroy people that don't accept their power....3 peas in a pod.
 
Old 03-16-2021, 09:04 PM
 
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Nope, actually it sounds just like your garden variety Trumper. Except maybe for the vegetarian part.

As I said, if he was a real leftist he wouldn't have tried to snuff out the communists.
Marx was Jewish... A German Jew.
 
Old 03-16-2021, 09:09 PM
 
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Wrong, all of his actions were right wing. The main reason he hated Jews was because he thought they were responsible for promoting communism. IOW, he killed all those Jews because he wanted to kill communism. If he was a leftist, he would hardly be wanting to snuff out communism.
History says that in left-wing politics no radical is radical enough to not be taken out in their sleep.

Like all of the authoritarians of the 20th century the name they used was only to gain popularity, the goal was the will to power. They all used scapegoats. They all used identity politics.
 
Old 03-16-2021, 09:24 PM
 
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Anyone with knowledge of history knows that fascists like Hitler were right-wing dictators. This is not a matter of debate among historians.
Well "anyone with knowledge of history" qualifier eliminates a lot of esteemed posters here
 
Old 03-16-2021, 10:01 PM
 
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Wrong, all of his actions were right wing. The main reason he hated Jews was because he thought they were responsible for promoting communism. IOW, he killed all those Jews because he wanted to kill communism. If he was a leftist, he would hardly be wanting to snuff out communism.
Today's radical Democrat party is far far more closer to the Communist party, than the GOP to the Nazi party. NO COMPARISON.
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