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Yeah the SJW psychos hijacked Marvel Comics a long time ago. There haven't been any good comic book stories in at least 10 years. It's no accident that all of the Marvel Cinematic Universe storylines have been based on the pre-woke era of comics. That's when all the good stories were written.
The stupid thing is the overwhelming need to murder an existing comic book character and replace them with an "oppressed" person. Thor lost his hammer and Jane Foster became Thor for a long time. Comic didn't sell for jack so they undid that mess. Tony Stark got killed and replaced by a black teenage girl. Peter Parker got swapped out as Spiderman for Miles Morales, a half black half Hispanic teenager. Captain America got turned into a Nazi cuz he's white, male and heterosexual, so of course he did. The Incredible Hulk got killed of and replaced by some Asian guy that nobody cares about. Ice man, who had been in many heterosexual romantic relationships over the decades, gets made gay. Captain Marvel, a character whose books never sold worth a crap ever, gets resurrected as a blond lesbian chick who is suddenly the most powerfulest thing ever, and her books still don't sell worth a crap. Wolverine gets killed and replaced by a Hispanic teenage girl. If a comic book character happens to be a straight white male, he's on the chopping block. But all of that could sto;; work and sell if they actually told good stories. Nope! The stories completely suck.
People who were comic book nerds their entire lives have almost universally stopped buying comics. I'm one of them. Comic are a dead corpse walking that hasn't realized it's dead yet.
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5.6% as LGBTQ. > 50% of those are bi. I think it was 11% are trans and ~ 45% gay/lesbian.
I posted it yesterday.
So really, about 2%, so 1 in 50.
"gay " is an umbrella term in this forum that basically means LGBTQ
Bisexual men (more so than women) especially get defined as gay in general rather than bisexual. DL/Closeted men get defined as straight, especially when self reporting.
So you debating a number that is purposefully underreported and ill-defined, for the sake of trying to minimalize the fact that gay people still exist in real life and dont need a reason to exist in comics.
If I misunderstand, and you were just trying to correct the percentage, then excuse the last line, but the rest of the post still stands.
The stupid thing is the overwhelming need to murder an existing comic book character and replace them with an "oppressed" person. Thor lost his hammer and Jane Foster became Thor for a long time. Comic didn't sell for jack so they undid that mess. Tony Stark got killed and replaced by a black teenage girl. Peter Parker got swapped out as Spiderman for Miles Morales, a half black half Hispanic teenager. Captain America got turned into a Nazi cuz he's white, male and heterosexual, so of course he did. The Incredible Hulk got killed of and replaced by some Asian guy that nobody cares about. Ice man, who had been in many heterosexual romantic relationships over the decades, gets made gay. Captain Marvel, a character whose books never sold worth a crap ever, gets resurrected as a blond lesbian chick who is suddenly the most powerfulest thing ever, and her books still don't sell worth a crap. Wolverine gets killed and replaced by a Hispanic teenage girl. If a comic book character happens to be a straight white male, he's on the chopping block.
lol,...no lies detected. It's really what happened.
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But all of that could sto;; work and sell if they actually told good stories. Nope! The stories completely suck.
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^^ This
They'll never understand that. When they put such cringe agendas as the 'selling' point instead of a good solid story they will never win. Not to mention these affirmative action type hiring putting people behind the pen where they have no business.
I don't understand the need to make a white superhero. Do white people live by their whiteness? Does white come first for them? I'm trying to understand. If I meet a white person on the street, are they going to first identify as white and then something like their first name? It feels like if you are white, the media and the world wants you to be white first and then the fact that you are a man or woman next, educated next, sexual orientation in there somewhere. Can white people not enjoy a superhero unless they are white?
See what I did? Why do you put the onus on gay people for justifying the existence of a gay fictional character? Why even take the effort at all to complain? This has no impact on your life. A normal person would look at this news and go "hmm, next story". A gay person might be happy to finally see representation in an art form they love. Why shouldn't gay people see themselves in media they like? Is Marvel turning all characters gay? No? Just one? And that's an issue for you? There should be trans superhero, an Ethiopian superhero, a superhero with a physical disability (nvm they have those). More representation is good. Don't worry, the most popular ones will always be straight white men.
I see what you did and it doesn't make sense. Besides sounding snarky, your comparison is apples and oranges. People's skin is obvious when seeing them unless every inch is covered. Someone could be gay and no one would know. I can see an argument for a black or brown super hero for inclusion purposes, but gay makes no sense. It's equivalent to saying we need a catholic or Baptist or Seventh Day Adventist or vegan or alcoholic or heterosexual super hero. Why call out sexual preference at all? It is not relevant in the least.
I don't understand the need to make a white superhero. Do white people live by their whiteness? Does white come first for them? I'm trying to understand. If I meet a white person on the street, are they going to first identify as white and then something like their first name? It feels like if you are white, the media and the world wants you to be white first and then the fact that you are a man or woman next, educated next, sexual orientation in there somewhere. Can white people not enjoy a superhero unless they are white?
See what I did? Why do you put the onus on gay people for justifying the existence of a gay fictional character? Why even take the effort at all to complain? This has no impact on your life. A normal person would look at this news and go "hmm, next story". A gay person might be happy to finally see representation in an art form they love. Why shouldn't gay people see themselves in media they like? Is Marvel turning all characters gay? No? Just one? And that's an issue for you? There should be trans superhero, an Ethiopian superhero, a superhero with a physical disability (nvm they have those). More representation is good. Don't worry, the most popular ones will always be straight white men.
The issue with everything you just said there is that it wasn't a problem to begin with. Stan Lee's Marvel Comics was always diverse and pushed a diverse agenda. Storm, Luke Cage and Black Panther were all black right from the start. Northstar was gay all the way back in the 1980's. Jean Grey, Scarlet Witch, Invisible Woman and many others were insanely strong female characters and existed in Marvel Comics since the 60's.
Northstar didn't sell well cuz capitalism happened. People just weren't buying the books. The character was still around and he's pretty cool to be honest. Luke Cage always maintained a steady fan base, but he was never an A tier hero because his books weren't best sellers. Same was true for Black Panther. If you're black and you wanted a black superhero, you've had that available to you for many decades. Diversity has been baked into Marvel from the start. They always tried to broaden people's cultural horizons to showcase non-white characters. Long-time comics fans are likely to be far less focused on race because DC and Marvel were always preaching against racism, sexism, etc.
At the end of the day, people just tend to be tribal. They like movies and TV shows and comics about people that look like them. Japanese Manga almost exclusively features Asian characters and Asian characters are the ones that sell well. It's absolutely bizarre that people of white European descent are being brainwashed into hating everything about themselves.
the whole 'woke' term is just a Star bellied sneetch thing that people like to use to do the opposite of unify.
Make a term, claim it holds some moral high ground, then claim to be it, and then point at those who don't take up the made up term.
Then continue to do all kinds of vapid stuff under the guise of 'wokeness' and scream naz* at anyone calling you out.
As if there was no such thing as being a good person before the woke movement.
You don't need to follow these insipid labels or put others down to be a good person.
But the left just can't seem to raise people up without tearing someone else down because that would imply self-responsibility.
Marvel has been "woke" since literally the beginning. And lol at the idea that they're mixing things up due to lagging sales. This is Disney we're talking about, and Marvel has NEVER been more popular than it is now. Marvel was huge in the mid-90's? News to me, they filed Chapter 11 in 1996. They were very much on life support. Time to face the music: ideas you don't like are now popular.
The Marvel bankruptcy of the 1990's was right after a peak in popularity. You had the Maximum Carnage storyline as well as the successful X-Men and Spider-Man animated series on Fox Kids as well as Hulk, Iron Man and Fantastic Four animated series. Marvel's misstep was buying a distributor during this time as well as the rash of variants and events. To say Marvel wasn't popular is misleading. Yes, it wasn't as popular as it would become under Disney, but the comics weren't hurting (bankruptcy not withstanding. )
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