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They send their kids up to the USA not because they want to eventually move there or love the USA. They want the kids to send money home. First the coyotes get paid and after that the money is Western Unioned back home. Pretty much all discretionary income is expected to be sent home.
Downtown Guatemala City does not look like the surrounding slums. The whole thread is based on a lie.
Comparing a national crime rate to certain US inner cities.
Sigh.
It is very easy to come up with actual good reasons to be against illegal immigration. This thread aint one of them.
We have slums, and our own poor here. The fact Guatemala City has nice areas means, they surely can improve their own slums without our help.
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Originally Posted by lookingaround12345
They send their kids up to the USA not because they want to eventually move there or love the USA. They want the kids to send money home. First the coyotes get paid and after that the money is Western Unioned back home. Pretty much all discretionary income is expected to be sent home.
And it boosts the economy of that original country by a lot because our currency is more valuable on the global market.
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Yeah. Of course there’s nice places there. Or, ones which look nice.
On the other hand, there’s a reason my Salvadoran in-laws are here en masse. I get a strong border policy, but denying that there are reasons people might want to be here instead of there doesn’t fly. At all.
I’m sad that I can’t visit El Salvador. Overrun by gangs and corruption, their institutions are weak and their official currency is the US Dollar. I frankly hold folks blameless for wanting to be here. My last cruise to Mexico had us take a bus through Progreso in the Yucatán. That’s not primo living, and THEY HAVE TOURIST MONEY!!!!
Flip side is, I also don’t want to let in actual criminals or disease carriers. I think the Right’s campaign regarding southern border immigrants is ignorant, casting them as criminals and drug dealers, child traffickers, and thieves.
The left seems to me to have better instincts here, but again my baseline is to make sure diseases and criminals are kept to a minimum.
There’s no clean solution, but it does seem to me that the right will lose this one. It’s pretty desperate in a lot of places down there, and folks will keep coming. You can push them out to deadly desert crossings, which raises some ethical flags for me, but folks will keep coming. In a sense, it’s a no-win situation. Doubly so because basically all of DC benefits from having an underground, cheap labor force here.
What to do? I don’t like foreign ventures that much. But foreign aid might be money well spent. Feds have a poor track record for spending money well, so that’s almost off the table. Another is to basically let anyone in who meets some basic requirements, effectively using supply/demand economics. But we’d have to be a stronger job creator than we are. Another approach which works well with the latter is to more severely restrict entitlements.
Yeah, there you are. It’s a depressing subject with no clean answers. But again, the right’s characterization of folks from down south doesn’t really help a damn thing.
It's been policy since before the country was founded. It only became a problem when too many of the poor coming here were non-European.
That is a poem, not a regulation, law, or policy.
Please show me the policy that says this.
Only a problem when non-European? Did you forget history or something? Oh yes, US public education, lol. The Irish, Polish, etc, all went through BS due to anti-immigration people. I have been hassled pretty bad for being an immigrant.
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
When this was written there were many jobs for the unskilled. Today not so much.
When this was written there were many jobs for the unskilled. Today not so much.
its harder than ever to create new jobs, but easier than ever to get on a welfare scheme, and all thanks to the criminally motivated politicians that inhabit every level of govt.
When this was written there were many jobs for the unskilled. Today not so much.
Yes, back then we were in need of nation builders, no so today. We are no longer a wide open frontier with a sparse population and with plenty of jobs and resources for everyone. I wonder why these fools can't seem to grasp that simple concept?
It was expected that one would come here through the front door (legally) not sneak in the back door (illegally) to. That rule still applies today.
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