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Old 03-25-2021, 10:25 AM
 
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
It is anybody's guess why this Arkansas couple is flying their son with "severe" autism all over the country during a pandemic.

But to maintain that they should be allowed to violate airline and federal regulations in order to do so is just stupid. '

What about the seat belt regulation? If the child objects, should he be allowed to stand in his seat the whole flight?

How about if he decides to kick the back of the seat in front of him the whole time? Should be be allowed to do that as well?

After all, he has an autism diagnosis.
It isn’t anyone’s business regarding the reasons for them bringing their child.

Does John Kerry have Autism? He was photographed maskless on an airline flight.

What they are “maintaining” is that the child has a recognized disability, brought a Doctor’s Note for an exception form the mask rule , and that exception is common amongst school children with specific bona fide reasons for exclusion.

Not wearing a seat belt on on airplane is a proven and recognized invitation to possible injury and even death while flying. There are no such proof that masks will do anything in a plane packed like sardines, with people in close proximity to each other for hours.

And now you drift off into fantasy land regarding perceived stereotypical behavior based on speculation.
The child has a disability. The child has exception from rules and regulations because of his disability.

There isn’t any proven risk that the child will contaminate others. That’s why the exclusion for a person with a disability IS allowed to circumvent the rule.The mere fact that an exclusion exists indicates that there isn’t any evidence to exclude the exception.
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Old 03-25-2021, 10:34 AM
 
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Why is this an issue? Supposedly masks protect people from the virus (that debate is for another thread). If people are forced to wear masks for their safety and that of others, everyone should be treated equally. No reason to make exceptions for those that throw temper tantrums. Those with autism are no more or less of a threat or potential victim of the virus than anyone else and should not be singled out for different treatment.

Hopefully the whiny parents that apparently refuse to control their child, have been added to the "no fly" list.
What don’t you understand that not everyone “ is treated equally” when there are LAWS on the books for the disabled? Compare that to the rules, regulations, mandates and orders that Americans have been forced to adhere to.

Laws: Through the normal recognized and accepted process.

Rules, Mandates, Regulations , Orders : Based on the opinions , whims and desires of Government Officials .

Your last statement is based on what evidence? There isn’t any consensus regarding all of the affects of COVID 19 on humans, specifically the disabled. The entire year of COVID 19 reaction has been flying by the seat of their pants.

As a matter of fact, some of the first children admitted to Boston Child’s Hospital for COVID related concerns were Autistic.

They can be singled out for different treatment because the Law permits it.

You’re last statement reeks of ignorance.
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Old 03-25-2021, 10:40 AM
 
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Why are you ignoring the law that says if a person has a disability where they can not wear a mask they are exempt?

as a poster here has repeatedly proven that there are exemptions.

The society you want to live in is a very dangerous one.
It sure is. These are the same people with the mindset that the safety of others during a pandemic should be set aside because Protesting “ Racial Injustice” can’t be prevented.

A 4 year old without a mask is a problem but hundreds if not thousands jammed together marching, yelling and hollering is fine. Even though there are Laws in place that favor the child’s behavior.

The same people that are letting COVID positive illegals pour across the border. After landing on that aircraft, one of those passengers might be standing in line next to one of them at the grocery store or anywhere else.
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Old 03-25-2021, 10:45 AM
 
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if you are not sick chances are you are not going to spread the disease.

some people think long term use of the mask will cause lung cancer!!! but we must follow the rules no matter what the health consequences and even if asymptomatic spread is very rare.

id have a smile on my face when all the pro mask people get respitory illnesses and cancer from the masks. don't believe me but who knows you might get sick from the masks. as a user on this forum has said they got a yeast infection 2 times from the mask.

some think it will cause brain damage in children. they will become mental midgets from the lack of oxygen and their future is gone.

over reaction to situations can have consequences. we are afraid of a virus with a 99 percent survival rate. some might die from the masks.

seat belts do not cause health problems.
Proper use of masks will not cause you to get sick. They will not cause a child to have brain damage. There are plenty of videos on the net showing that masks do not reduce the amount of oxygen in the blood.

Skin problems are more likely with the tightly fitting N95 masks and can be prevented.

https://www.aad.org/public/everyday-...-skin-problems

Seat belts can cause injuries in crashes.
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Old 03-25-2021, 11:06 AM
 
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Proper use of masks will not cause you to get sick. They will not cause a child to have brain damage. There are plenty of videos on the net showing that masks do not reduce the amount of oxygen in the blood.

Skin problems are more likely with the tightly fitting N95 masks and can be prevented.

https://www.aad.org/public/everyday-...-skin-problems

Seat belts can cause injuries in crashes.
the science says children are horrible spreaders. if it was an adult there would be more risk. teachers are freaking out over going back to school when kids don't really spread this illness. there is concern about breathing in our own viruses and bacteria. it can not be healthy to cover our breathing holes 10 hours a day. we shall see if any long-term effects happen. it has been proven c02 (carbon dioxide)levels raise. wash your mask and then wear it all day and test the bacteria on it. I don't have the equipment to do that but I would.

this person was a editor of PPE equipment for 25 years. there are carcinogens in the blue masks.

https://medicalkidnap.com/2020/10/27...masks-all-day/

I remember reading there is a particular bacteria we breath in with masks and its the same bacteria found in lung cancer patients.

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Old 03-25-2021, 11:46 AM
 
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Proper use of masks will not cause you to get sick. They will not cause a child to have brain damage. There are plenty of videos on the net showing that masks do not reduce the amount of oxygen in the blood.

Skin problems are more likely with the tightly fitting N95 masks and can be prevented.

https://www.aad.org/public/everyday-...-skin-problems

Seat belts can cause injuries in crashes.
Tell us about your experiences with children on the Autism spectrum and forcing them to wear face coverings. Please provide facts that such a procedure will not have a detrimental affect on the child.

Not only medically, but in regards to their demeanor, ability to comprehend the need , and possible escalation of uncontrollable behavior as a result.

Since there are recognized by Law, exclusions to rules and regulations in this regard for disabilities like Autism, your opinion appears to be inaccurate.
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Old 03-25-2021, 03:52 PM
 
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Proper use of masks will not cause you to get sick. They will not cause a child to have brain damage. There are plenty of videos on the net showing that masks do not reduce the amount of oxygen in the blood.

Skin problems are more likely with the tightly fitting N95 masks and can be prevented.

https://www.aad.org/public/everyday-...-skin-problems

Seat belts can cause injuries in crashes.
Indeed.

It is a bit much to expect Spirit airline employees to review all the scientific research and all the RW BS, then make an informed decision about whether this passenger or that one is exempt from following the regulations.
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Old 03-25-2021, 04:02 PM
 
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Tell us about your experiences with children on the Autism spectrum and forcing them to wear face coverings. Please provide facts that such a procedure will not have a detrimental affect on the child.

Not only medically, but in regards to their demeanor, ability to comprehend the need , and possible escalation of uncontrollable behavior as a result.

Since there are recognized by Law, exclusions to rules and regulations in this regard for disabilities like Autism, your opinion appears to be inaccurate.
What a crock. The ADA does not say that having a disability means you don't have to follow the rules and regulations.

"Reasonable accommodations," is what it calls for. For crying out loud, read it.

As to the possible escalation of uncontrollable behavior, this would be another reason not to be flying around the country with him until they are better able to control his behavior.

And yes, I have worked with children on the autism spectrum. It may take repetitions and a calm environment, but children on the autism spectrum are able to learn all kinds of things.

He could learn to wear a mask.

However, the parents appear more interested in raising a stink than solving the problem
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Old 03-25-2021, 04:05 PM
 
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Children, even those on the autism spectrum, who are raised to believe they don't have to do anything they don't want to, become adults who have a difficult time.
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Old 03-25-2021, 04:54 PM
 
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What a crock. The ADA does not say that having a disability means you don't have to follow the rules and regulations.

"Reasonable accommodations," is what it calls for. For crying out loud, read it.

As to the possible escalation of uncontrollable behavior, this would be another reason not to be flying around the country with him until they are better able to control his behavior.

And yes, I have worked with children on the autism spectrum. It may take repetitions and a calm environment, but children on the autism spectrum are able to learn all kinds of things.

He could learn to wear a mask.

However, the parents appear more interested in raising a stink than solving the problem
I have gone over this before. “ Reasonable” is up to the circumstances , variables and particulars of each situation . A Licensed Physician wrote a Note so that the child would have consideration for a “ reasonable “ approach.
His “ reasonable approach” is based on his direct contact with the child, fully aware of any and all contributing circumstances.

Is the standard for not being allowed to fly “ the possible escalation of uncontrollable behavior “ taken into consideration all the time? Clearly there are numerous cases of drunk passengers , but alcohol is continued to be served where allowed.

Ot is it just for an Autistic child that is without a mask?

The last three sentences are a demonstration your ignorance .

Thanks for the conversation. I’m moving on.
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