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Old 03-23-2021, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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It's shameful that America has cultural issues that keep the vicious cycle of violence and lack of respect for human life going. Other economically prosperous countries, such as Japan and Australia, do not have the level of violence that the United States has currently and has had for a significant length of time. I think we just have a violent culture here to be honest. Lax gun laws don't help, but it goes beyond that.
Because those countries don’t have open borders, birthright citizenship, and Syrian refugees

When you let millions of folks in, there’s going to be a lot of bad apples who don’t want assimilation. Instead they just want anarchy.
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Old 03-23-2021, 07:04 PM
 
Location: East of the Burgh.
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Yup by making it harder for the good guys to get guns - it does inevitablly make it harder and more expensive for the bad guys.

I get it -- It is not an ideal solution.

I am Canadian and never grasped the gun thing. But I've had endless informative discussions and get it. Many of the gun control suggestions are not perceived as impacting criminal aspects or mental health issues. I kind of agree. I don't know what the solution is. B ut there is no denying the USA has a serious gun violence issue. I don't want to take guns away from those of you that aren't inclined to misuse your right...but I don't know what the solution is. By the way, making it harder for the good guys to get guns - it does inevitably make it harder and more expensive for the bad guys.


I don't know what the solution is.

The only thing I can think of if there is a bone that could be thrown....a compromise. I just don't know.
Well one thing for sure making guns illegal will only hurt the ones(legal) who need them to protect themselves against the illegal ones. It is a vicious cycle and too late to do anything about it other than to dish out severe punishment for those who commit a crime with a gun. And I mean severe! By the way, making it harder for the good guys to get guns will do nothing, most of those (illegal)guns are stolen.
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Old 03-23-2021, 07:05 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Please explain, so we can pick it apart. Wiki? Where anyone can edit it? This is your "source".
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Old 03-23-2021, 07:09 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Because those countries don’t have open borders, birthright citizenship, and Syrian refugees

When you let millions of folks in, there’s going to be a lot of bad apples who don’t want assimilation. Instead they just want anarchy.
Nah, I don't think that's the main cause of gun violence here in the US. Lax immigration is a different subject but that's not what's driving most homicides.

The two latest mass shootings were certainly not done by Syrians here illegally. They were homegrown, as is most of the violence that happens, whether it's in rural Mississippi or the inner city of Chicago. People coming over the border with bad intentions certainly need to be stopped but that's not where most of the violence originates. It's an inside job.
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Old 03-23-2021, 07:11 PM
 
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That is a sad "perspective" for the US. Our country is the most violent and dangerous on the planet.
Okay well to put that into perspective in 2015 you had a 6:100,000 chance of being the victim of a homicide in America. A .06:100,000 chance of being a victim of a homicide in a mass killing. It's not impossible but it's highly improbable.
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Old 03-23-2021, 07:13 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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So I love how someone who is not advocating for gun control -- still gets attacked for suggesting we need to do something. I don't support bans, I don't know about specific controls...but I want something to happen.

That's the line in the sand. We can't even talk about gun violence in this country.
We can talk about it we are talking about it right now, fact is no matter what kind of gun might have been used the outcome would have been pretty much the same but those that want to ban semi auto gloss over that fact.

What you think those that don't want gun control like me aren't hurt by the fact that too many want to murder? I am dismayed by it but putting a band-aid over a deep dark serious problem won't help. You can't legislate morality or love, and that is what is the root cause ,the lack of it.
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Old 03-23-2021, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Cali
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Freedom used to mean being able to go to the damn grocery store without being terrified.
What do you mean “used to mean”?

Is firearm a new invention or something?
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Old 03-23-2021, 07:18 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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He absolutely could have done the same with any weapon.

You have no chance against the AR-15. Don't be Biden stupid here. There is a reason it's the guys favorite toy for masss shootings.

If we could have cut down the body count by less than 5 it's worth it.
AR-15 or semi auto is not magically more lethal than say a shotgun. Firepower only matters when someone is shooting back at you, these murderers target people and places where most people can't or won't fight back.

However when does firepower like from a AR-15 matter? when you are lone storekeeper being attacked by a ANTIFA mob and the cops are nowhere to be seen.
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Old 03-23-2021, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Do you think it's a GOOD idea to ban law-abiding citizens who have never shot, threatened, or worried anybody, from buying so-called "assault weapons"?
Who said background checks would do that and how?
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Old 03-23-2021, 07:20 PM
 
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At the very minimum an AR-15 ban since they are used in pretty much every mass shooting.

The mouth breathers will come back with well hand guns kill the most. Yes they kill the most in BAD, usually ghetto neighborhoods.

These mass shootings are in nice areas where you don't expect any kind of crime of that magnitude. That's the difference.

The AR-15 especially is the gun because you can mow down so many more people.

Australia hasnt had a mass shooting since their ban
Except they aren't. Do your research.
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