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Old 03-24-2021, 02:04 PM
 
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What rifle/pistol/shotgun kills more yearly?
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Old 03-24-2021, 02:05 PM
 
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Them DAMN facts....
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Old 03-24-2021, 02:05 PM
 
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Don't let anyone convince you that having mass shootings in our everyday lives is just something we have to live with.



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All of that is a violation of 2A. Imagine treating any other constitutional right that way.

Or...how about a right that is not enumerated? Imagine trying to force a voter to prove mental competence. Or how about a red flag law to restrict their right to vote?

We get called racist for merely suggesting that one should actually prove who they are with an ID. And you want to make it easier to restrict my 2A rights in the HOPE that it will fix things?
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Old 03-24-2021, 02:07 PM
 
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Get rid of semi-auto guns and we will still have shootings, but the death toll will be far smaller. Semi-autos are convenient but not really necessary for any legitimate purpose. The Founders did not have them when they penned the 2A.
You willing to make that same argument about any sort of publishing equipment more modern than a printing press? The Founding Fathers didn't have email, twitter, facebook, or discussion forums, yet 1A sure gets applied to a lot of things today, including pornography and obscene music.
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Old 03-24-2021, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida, Support our police
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Nothing needs to change except liberals. Get them out of here and America is a much better place. Hey lets regulate liberals!
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Old 03-24-2021, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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"I'm a fellow ____ but" <- guaranteed shill

I mean you might as well tell us who pays you Bebop, at this point we'd believe you less (that you're a shill)
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Old 03-24-2021, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Yes. Healthcare in the US (especially 'luxuries' like mental health care') is a luxury for the wealthy. Out of pocket cost should not prevent a person from getting mental health treatment.

Obviously it's not as black and white as "I get mental health care, or I go kill people", but increasing our ability to treat root causes of mental illnesses WILL help here.
Healthcare in the US is a luxury for the wealthy, eh?

Then why are ~90% of Americans covered?

I can't tell you whether all plans cover mental health and do so equally, but I did find this:

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The MHPAEA, passed in 2008, extended 1996's Mental Health Parity Act. It outlaws discriminatory practices that limit insurance coverage for behavioral health treatment. Specifically, it requires coverage for mental health and substance-use disorders to be no more restrictive than coverage for physical health.

The Affordable Care Act took things even further. Signed in 2010, it required most individual and small employer health insurance plans to cover mental health services.

Together, these two laws made health insurance coverage available to more Americans than ever. They also expanded the scope of that coverage to include mental health benefits.
I agree that in many cases we need to remove the stigma of mental health vs "physical" health. But to insinuate that mentally-ill people don't get care because either it's not covered or it's got an out-of-pocket cost - without any info to back the claim - doesn't seem right.

Especially if the message is that there should not be any cost for care component (ie, ANY co-pay or deductible) which sure as heck no "former Republican" would favor.
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Old 03-24-2021, 02:15 PM
 
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Get rid of semi-auto guns and we will still have shootings, but the death toll will be far smaller. Semi-autos are convenient but not really necessary for any legitimate purpose. The Founders did not have them when they penned the 2A.
That goes without saying, but most folks don't realize that the most skilled marksman of that era could only get off at most 4 shots a minute with a range of 400 yards with a musket. A brown bess had a range of 200 yards. The real weapon which inspired fear was the bayonet.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfVEiaCGccw

By the Civil War, it speeded up, every man was suppose to be able to shoot a round every 20 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfVEiaCGccw
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Old 03-24-2021, 02:16 PM
 
Location: USA
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I'm waiting for the FBI statistics for 2020 to come out that shows the huge uptick in murders in their cities because of their incompetence and failure to be able to fairly police their communities.
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Old 03-24-2021, 02:20 PM
 
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There are perhaps 500 million guns in private hands in the US, and that could be a low estimate. The vast majority of weapons are unaccounted for.

Who exactly is going to collect all these guns? Are people going to willingly turn in guns that nobody knows about? Are federal agents going to go door to door and collect them? Are they going to stop and frisk everyone out in public or at traffic stops?

The people that want gun control surely realize the impossibility of enforcing it, right?

Lastly, taking guns away from law abiding citizens will do absolutely nothing to make us all safer. It will however, make it easier for the government to take away the last bit of freedom we have left.
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