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Old 04-02-2021, 10:12 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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At this point, I am thinking that perhaps Chauvin isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
This particular case aside...

Chauvin had a history of complaints during his time as an officer. I would say that is the fault of the Police Department not to mitigate that. There are plenty of people working jobs they should be doing... it is onus on the management to handle that. If a particular direct report isn't performing or worse.. a liability to the company, it is my job to escalate to my management. Not doing so is a reflection of myself and my responsibilities.

 
Old 04-02-2021, 10:19 AM
 
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He was yelling he was claustrophobic being put into the police car , he seemed ok sitting in his own car, or whoever’s car it was , sat there quite a while too ?
I thought of this as well...

Then I saw the body cam video and thought of myself. If someone was trying to shove me into the back of their car after having a firearm pointed at me, I think I too would be scared to be placed in that car. I would be scared that I wouldn't come out of that car alive.

I think the difference is that Floyd was initially approached in his car with a fire arm already drawn and pointed at him. Previously, I had not known that a firearm had already been used to as a threat.

I think one assessment a former officer on some news station (don't recall which) said that the firearm isn't a tool to gain "compliance".
 
Old 04-02-2021, 10:22 AM
 
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Chauvin's supervisor said Floyd should have been placed on his side to allow for him to breathe. Chauvin eff'd up and I hope he gets the book thrown at him. He's a murderer, plain and simple.
I agree..

However that proves neglect not necessarily murder in the 2nd or 3rd degree. Maybe Manslaughter?
 
Old 04-02-2021, 10:24 AM
 
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We will see what Chauvin says about what was going on in his head when Chauvin testifies. You agree?
I don't think Chauvin is required to testify. Usually that is a last resort for the defense.
 
Old 04-02-2021, 10:33 AM
 
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He was yelling he was claustrophobic being put into the police car , he seemed ok sitting in his own car, or whoever’s car it was , sat there quite a while too ?

If you watch the ENTIRE video, he was yelling about being claustrophobic, but he asked more than once to be placed in the FRONT seat of the squad car.

As to his own car, he was sitting in the driver's seat; again, the front seat.
 
Old 04-02-2021, 10:36 AM
 
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I agree..

However that proves neglect not necessarily murder in the 2nd or 3rd degree. Maybe Manslaughter?
His actions were intentional. He purposely did what he did, despite his own police protocol. Absolutely murder in my book, especially with all the people who were around him being alarmed by his actions, seeing Floyd in dire need of assistance and not allowing any for him. Unconscionable. We do not need people like this in our police force.
 
Old 04-02-2021, 10:46 AM
 
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His actions were intentional. He purposely did what he did, despite his own police protocol. Absolutely murder in my book, especially with all the people who were around him being alarmed by his actions, seeing Floyd in dire need of assistance and not allowing any for him. Unconscionable. We do not need people like this in our police force.
Sorry,, you can’t say what his intent was other than an opinion.

What has troubled me is that out of all those people around,, no one stepped up to intervene? Perhaps they all lacked the skill and tact to approach the Officer in a civil manner with their concerns.
All they appeared to do. Is yell, which possibly could have made things worse..

Police, or no Police, I don’t care. Personally I definitely would have intervened had I been a witness. I would have lied and said I was a Doctor.

Perhaps it is just the conditioning of living under the circumstances of that neighborhood. They. may have been unconsciously conditioned to indifference.


It is both. troubling and perplexing to see all the emotion of testimony, but they all basically stood there and watched.
 
Old 04-02-2021, 10:54 AM
 
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Sorry,, you can’t say what his intent was other than an opinion.

What has troubled me is that out of all those people around,, no one stepped up to intervene? Perhaps they all lacked the skill and tact to approach the Officer in a civil manner with their concerns.
All they appeared to do. Is yell, which possibly could have made things worse..

Police, or no Police, I don’t care. Personally I definitely would have intervened had I been a witness. I would have lied and said I was a Doctor.

Perhaps it is just the conditioning of living under the circumstances of that neighborhood. They. may have been unconsciously conditioned to indifference.


It is both. troubling and perplexing to see all the emotion of testimony, but they all basically stood there and watched.
There were some who wanted to intervene, but were stopped. At least from what I understand. You kneel on somebody's neck for 10 minutes, several of those in which the man has quit moving, I know your intention. The protocol was for him to turn him on his side so he could breathe. He did not. Murder.
 
Old 04-02-2021, 10:55 AM
 
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His actions were intentional. He purposely did what he did, despite his own police protocol. Absolutely murder in my book, especially with all the people who were around him being alarmed by his actions, seeing Floyd in dire need of assistance and not allowing any for him. Unconscionable. We do not need people like this in our police force.

Ok, you get to vote guilty. All we need is just one of us to say not guilty and Chauvin goes free.

Will you abide by the rule?
 
Old 04-02-2021, 10:57 AM
 
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Ok, you get to vote guilty. All we need is just one of us to say not guilty and Chauvin goes free.

Will you abide by the rule?
You would not have made it through voir dire, so your non-existent vote is inconsequential. Hope this helps.
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