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Old 03-25-2021, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Originally Posted by rstevens62 View Post
If there are any jurors like myself, they will find that kneeling on someones neck for that long, is definitely an attempt to kill the person!


**but since the person is a cop, Im sure the jurors were given 'special instructions' that they find him innocent.
there's probably a reason that those who had their mind made up already aren't on the jury, and it took a long time to find enough jurors that agreed they would consider all of the evidence before rendering judgement.

 
Old 03-25-2021, 03:35 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Enough_Already View Post
George Floyd was the CRIMINAL they are hired to protect the community from!
Innocent until proven guilty. George Floyd wasn't threatening the community. He tried to pass a counterfeit twenty at a corner market. He didn't have to die. Four police officers held him down while he struggled to breathe, they held him down when he stopped struggling to breathe, they held him down when he had stopped breathing. They are hired to protect everyone, to help people. They didn't help George Floyd. They killed him.
 
Old 03-25-2021, 03:42 PM
 
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Before professionals and experts begin to argue here, it would be necessary to decide how dangerous is 11ng/cc concentration of fentanyl in the human blood.

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Blood concentrations of approximately 7 ng/ml or greater have been associated with fatalities where poly-substance use was involved.
Floyd had poly-substance and 11 ng/ml in his blood system.

Floyd also had hypertension, severe heart disease, and was overweight. He was extremely unhealthy.

Floyd had a fatal dose.

https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publica...es/fentanyl_en




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Originally Posted by jojajn View Post
Being a medical professional that administers Fentanyl daily to patients, I can unequivocally tell you the Floyd did not die from an overdose of Fentanyl.

An individual who overdosed on Fentanyl would be unresponsive almost immediately after the ingestion/injection.

The "froth" coming from his mouth was due to his heart stopping while he was prone.
There is no way that you are a medical professional. If you are, you should be fired for incompetence.


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The researchers asked the respondents to describe what happened during a suspected fentanyl overdose. The most common characteristic, described in 20 percent of the cases, was that the person's lips immediately turned blue, followed by gurgling sounds with breathing (16 percent of the cases), stiffening of the body or seizure-like activity (13 percent), foaming at the mouth (6 percent) and confusion or strange behavior before the person became unresponsive (6 percent), according to the report.
https://www.livescience.com/58682-fe...teristics.html

No, they don't instantly become unresponsive. They have trouble breathing - Floyd complained about not being able to breathe BEFORE a single cop touched him and SIX TIMES BEFORE he was pinned.

Contrary to what you say Fentanyl overdoses do cause foaming at the mouth and strange activity - both of which Floyd had.
 
Old 03-25-2021, 03:49 PM
 
Location: FL
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Well in your twisted logic, you don't seem to understand that the state has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Chauvin had an intent to kill GF and that that intention caused or contributed to his death and it's highly unlikely they will be able to do so.
Him saying that he can't breathe wasn't a clue? 9 minutes!
 
Old 03-25-2021, 03:57 PM
 
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009 View Post
The toxicology report of George Floyd showed that he had 11ng/cc concentration of fentanyl in his blood stream, as well as metabolites of fentanyl. The officers at the scene reported that Floyd had "froth coming from his mouth", which is consistent with pulmonary edema caused by a massive ingestion of fentanyl. In addition, his autopsy showed marked pulmonary edema, consistent with a fentanyl overdose.

I do reviews of cases for attorneys (malpractice cases for the defense) in addition to my medical practice and so have some legal exposure. Objectively, Floyd died of a drug overdose and there would have been nothing on the planet that could have saved him, except for rapid intubation and reversal of the drug with narcan.

Now FLoyd was a big man. Securing his airway, even by someone skilled in intubation, would have been difficult. In addition, he would have been very difficult to ventilate with marked pulmonary edema, and it would have been likely that he would have expired even with a skilled physician or EMT immediately securing his airway.

One would expect that justice will not be served and the arrested officers will be sacrificed on the alter of political correctness to prevent nationwide rioting. However, the fact of the matter is that Floyd died of an overdose, not the acts of the police.
Even if the judges concluded it was a fatal OD, the rioters would just find another excuse to burn some more cities.

That's what they've been doing all last summer, you know.
 
Old 03-25-2021, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Born + raised SF Bay; Tyler, TX now WNY
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If I were the prosecution I would hammer on the ”need” to kneel on someone’s neck for that long, and the failure to procure EMS in a timely fashion. Second, I would remind the jury that the cops were called on him for just passing some counterfeit cash. I would also remind the jury that playing with counterfactuals such as saying “it was a fatal dose” shouldn’t be taken as fact - we will now never know because other things happened before the dose proved itself fatal on its own.

I frankly don’t ever see a need to kneel on someone’s neck for the better part of 9 minutes. I get that cops have a hard job, but the buck has to stop somewhere, and I won’t feel bad if this dude gets the book thrown at him.
 
Old 03-25-2021, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Him saying that he can't breathe wasn't a clue? 9 minutes!
Yeah Chauvin will have to explain his actions. Unless the prosecution has something that goes to Chauvin having an intent to kill FLoyd, Chauvin walks after the trial and Minneapolis burns again.
 
Old 03-25-2021, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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If a knee on neck for nine minutes is harmless as claimed by some here,
says who?
 
Old 03-25-2021, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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+1 Many here seem to think he was going to die anyway so Chauvin just help him along.
like who?
 
Old 03-25-2021, 04:13 PM
 
Location: FL
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He was a dangerous criminal who once held a gun to the abdomen of a woman. He had more than a lethal does of a pain killing drug in his system.
It was the cop's job to arrest him not kill him.
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