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Even if a man doesn't fear for his life, his wife and kids would. And no man wants to be a cop or a, soldier in war, if he could do something else for a living.
Plenty people grow up, or want as young adults to be policemen and soldiers. Many in both professions never see any danger. Some go into the jobs for the dangers. One size doesn’t fit all.
Truth be told, the majority of these "situations" are started by a phone call in which the originator of the complaint lies or greatly exaggerates what he/she saw to get the cops to show up. The police get to the scene with the complainer's scenario in their heads, which is greatly exaggerated or a simple lie, and are forced to asked questions to prove the complaint is not valid.
Blaming the caller? Lol, already said people are doing this, because people absolutely are insane now days. Blaming everyone except the person who is doing the crime.
You have zero idea about if people are exaggerating, lying, nor how many or not or doing it. You are coming up with BS to justify your opinion. Ridiculous.
No one needs to exaggerate or do anything to get a cop to show up. The 911 transcripts are pretty clear in this case, point to me where they were exaggerating or lying please.
Issue with the 911 caller and what actually is happening/happened, are usually just someone trying to figure out what they saw, witnessed, and reporting as such. The caller often does not have the means nor time to do a full investigation of what they have just witnessed.
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Originally Posted by Jakobslander
African American folks fare the worst in this exchange because of their mistrust of the police and their unwillingness to cooperate with them (which is the result of hundreds of years of brutality and terrorism being directed toward them by the way).
So, Floyd getting high, or that guy who just rammed hi car into a Capital police officer killing him, are a result of hundreds of years of brutality? I swear your statements are getting more ridiculous. What happened yesterday or 100 years ago, has zero effect on the choice a black person makes to engage in crime today.
I come from the USSR, a country that far exceeds in brutality than anyone in this country ever experienced, yet i am not going around and saying "gee, in 1930 most of my family was executed, maybe I should go commit crime and then blame the police for it because my family was terrorized 90 years ago".
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People don't understand that when a complaint is made with the police, it MUST be investigated and closed. What I don't get is why cops, knowing how prone phone complaints are to fluff and exaggeration, don't do more to ascertain the veracity of the complain (get a picture, a recording, something). If someone calls about an individual "stumbling" in the snow... well, that is what happens when there's snow on the ground. Kinda like folks getting wet in a rainstorm. It should not be the basis for an investigation precisely because it WILL end up in a "situation."
As I said, most, and all the ones I ever responded to, are not fluff and exaggeration. Misperceptions, being flat out wrong, etc, do happen, but you are claiming an intent to this when it is not. A cop must respond to what is being reported, because that is all the info they have. To do otherwise is to risk themselves and others.
So for your snow stumbling, so what you want a cop to do, not come? Get to it later? Perhaps it is a medical emergency, perhaps too drunk and will die laying in the snow, perhaps got stabbed and bleeding out, I have no damn idea responding other than the reported info, but you expect a cop to make presumptions based off of no evidence and information. Imagine it was you stumbling due to a medical emergency, and well, cops are just going to take their sweet time, if come at all, because "people stumble in the snow". Obviously though the stumbling was enough to warrant attention from someone, and that someone called.
Imagine a cop thinking "that report of a person with a gun at the school is probably false" and taking their time getting there? Not doing anything because three times in a year it is an incorrect report of someone with a gun around the school? Yea yea, until it is an actual person, and there are actual people being killed, but hey, as I cop, I thought the caller was just exaggerating.
“Originally Posted by Chenping
Chauvin did not use excessive force. He didn't even draw his weapon. He was called in as backup to two other officers who arrested Floyd. He assisted his colleagues to restrain Floyd till medics arrived. The media needed a face to focus public hatred on white cops.”
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You need to tell that to Chauvin's supervising Captain, Lieutenant, and the officer that heads up the homicide division of the police force. Their testimonies all said Chauvin used excessive force.
He didn’t shoot Floyd, he didn’t stab Floyd, he didn’t punch Floyd, he merely applied light pressure to the side of Floyd’s neck, so light that no injury can be found.
Even if a man doesn't fear for his life, his wife and kids would. And no man wants to be a cop or a, soldier in war, if he could do something else for a living.
Why did David Ploeger testify that Minneapolis police officers are trained regarding the dangers of “positional asphyxia”?
Why did he testify that police officers are trained to place restrained individuals in the “side recovery position” as quickly as possible so as not to restrict their breathing?
Why did the officers ignore or dismiss their training?
Why are their actions, or failures to act not considered negligence?
I realize the defense has not yet presented its case in the current trial however the Minneapolis Police Department has already admitted its culpable negligence.
“Originally Posted by Chenping
Chauvin did not use excessive force. He didn't even draw his weapon. He was called in as backup to two other officers who arrested Floyd. He assisted his colleagues to restrain Floyd till medics arrived. The media needed a face to focus public hatred on white cops.”
He didn’t shoot Floyd, he didn’t stab Floyd, he didn’t punch Floyd, he merely applied light pressure to the side of Floyd’s neck, so light that no injury can be found.
Why didn't the two individuals in the car with Floyd give testimony? I have a feeling that Floyd was already in a bad way from the drugs he ingested and those two individuals know it. Floyd didn't drive away even after being told by the store clerks that the store manager wanted him back in the store to answer for the counterfeit money. He just sat in that car (probably getting high on that fetanyl drug) until the cops arrived. The anxiety of dealing with the arrest must have exacerbated his condition leading to breathing difficulties in the cop car. It got so bad that he had to wriggle out onto the ground. The cops naturally were unaware of his physical ailment and figured that he was just being uncooperative and resisting arrest. No bad white cop went out to kill George Floyd because he was black and deserved a dose of systemic racist injustice. People who need to believe that have issues.
Why did David Ploeger testify that Minneapolis police officers are trained regarding the dangers of “positional asphyxia”?
Why did he testify that police officers are trained to place restrained individuals in the “side recovery position” as quickly as possible so as not to restrict their breathing?
Why did the officers ignore or dismiss their training?
Why are their actions, or failures to act not considered negligence?
I realize the defense has not yet presented its case in the current trial however the Minneapolis Police Department has already admitted its culpable negligence.
The Minneapolis Police Department and officers speaking for the Department are covering their a55es. This is standard procedure for any institution or business corporation when SHTF. They will do anything to cut their losses. Haven't you watched Mission Impossible? "If you mess up, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your action."
The Minneapolis Police Department and officers speaking for the Department are covering their a55es. This is standard procedure for any institution or business corporation when SHTF. They will do anything to cut their losses. Haven't you watched Mission Impossible? "If you mess up, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your action."
Get real and wake up!
How many business plans include the strategy of continuing to pay out millions of dollars in settlements & legal fees as a result of an individual's actions or inactions rather than plan to identify the individuals who present the most liabilities?
We can’t verify whether drugs or heart issues contributed to Floyd’s death, but we can verify that three medical examiners ruled his death a homicide.
Both the defense and prosecution are analyzing the autopsy produced by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner.
The prosecution is arguing Floyd died of oxygen deficiency, also called asphyxia, caused by Chauvin holding his knee to Floyd’s neck for several minutes.
In prosecutors’ arguments, while referring to the graphic video of Floyd’s final moments, they point out you can “hear the body gasp as an involuntary reflex” and that at one point, “he’s heaving up the right shoulder so he can get room for his rib cage to expand to breathe.”
They point out that the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, who conducted the autopsy, issued a press release stating the cause of death was “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression,” and the manner of death was “homicide.”
The prosecution also refers to a private autopsy from two other medical examiners commissioned by Floyd’s family who agreed with the county’s medical examiner. They both concluded the cause of Floyd’s death was asphyxia caused by neck and back compression. One added the manner of death: “homicide as seen in the scene video and confirmed at autopsy.” Their conclusions can be found on the third page of Exhibit A.
No, autopsy doesn’t say George Floyd died of overdose
Two autopsy reports said the manner of George Floyd’s death was a homicide. Neither said the cause of his death was a fentanyl overdose.
The Hennepin County medical examiner found fentanyl in Floyd’s system, but the autopsy said the cause of his death was “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law-enforcement subdual restraint, and neck compression.”
Experts told the Washington Post they did not believe Floyd died from the fentanyl.
See the sources for this fact-check
Months after a video of George Floyd gasping for air sparked months of protests nationwide, the murder trial began for Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer who pressed his knee into Floyd’s neck for several minutes.
At the center of the case is the question of how Floyd, a 46-year-old Black man, died. In the runup to the trial, social media users and some conservative commentators have recycled debunked claims that the autopsies said Floyd died of a drug overdose.
"Toxicology report was made public by the MN prosecution revealing the cause of George Floyd’s death was a fentanyl overdose," said one March 24 Facebook post.
The Facebook post is wrong about what the Hennepin County medical examiner’s autopsy said. The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)
Two autopsies were completed after Floyd died in May 2020, following what video footage shows was roughly nine minutes spent pinned under Chauvin’s knee. The two reports found different causes of death, but neither ruled that Floyd died because of an overdose.
An independent autopsy ordered by Floyd’s family ruled Floyd’s death a homicide. The two doctors who conducted the autopsy concluded that Floyd died of asphyxiation, or suffocation.
The Hennepin County medical examiner’s office also ruled that Floyd died in a homicide. But it said the cause of his death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law-enforcement subdual restraint, and neck compression," which occurred while Floyd was being "restrained."
In other words, Floyd’s heart stopped as Chauvin restrained him, as PolitiFact has reported.
Chauvin is charged with second- and third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
How many business plans include the strategy of continuing to pay out millions of dollars in settlements & legal fees as a result of an individual's actions or inactions rather than plan to identify the individuals who present the most liabilities?
All business plans include strategy to pay out settlements to cut losses. Seeking the truth is for ideologues with neither common sense nor an eye on the ball (i.e. reality).
Plenty people grow up, or want as young adults to be policemen and soldiers. Many in both professions never see any danger. Some go into the jobs for the dangers. One size doesn’t fit all.
There are always stupid people including those who want to be President of the USA. Chauvin is by no means stupid. He is just unlucky to be in the wrong place (restraining Floyd at the front end) at the wrong time (when hunting white men is in season).
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