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Old 04-05-2021, 07:30 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Did Chauvin die?
St. George did.

 
Old 04-05-2021, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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This is the image I wanted to show. (The diagram in your post isn't anatomically accurate).

The point of this is that it illustrates how the ICA is protected by bony structures, the transverse processes of C1, styloid process, mandibular angles, along with attached ligamentous and tendinous structures, which you can't see in a simple diagram.

Proximally, it extends anteromedially, meaning that you'll need to compress the anterior triangle to occlude it.

The Floyd video doesn't show that, but there's not much you can do about the quality of your monitor.

Who cares about the internal carotid? All one needs to do is occlude/compress the common carotid.

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Old 04-05-2021, 08:19 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Floyd's heart stopped, while three officers restrained him, one by putting his knee on Floyd's neck. The medical examiner determined that Floyd's death was a homicide. It's in writing. You can read it yourself. Homicide while police restrained him.
The only question there is left is:

Did the homicide occur when Floyd took the fatal dose of Fentanyl? Or when he actually died from it?

It's pretty well established that Chauvin did not apply enough pressure to stop blood flow through the carotid artery, or enough to cut off the airflow through the trachea. There would have been major bruising of the neck if he had. The autopsy found none.

So, something else killed him. Tops on the list of possibilites was obviously the usually-fatal dose of Fentanyl he had in his bloodstream.

Anybody have any other possibility?

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Old 04-05-2021, 08:30 PM
 
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You don't have to come here. Take care.

No, it's you who need to step back and don't muddy the waters. If you have any credible professional training, you would know well when to put your two cents in. No one here is strutting their stuff as a court-appointed expert giving evidence except you.
 
Old 04-05-2021, 08:37 PM
 
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The only question there is left is:

Did the homicide occur when Floyd took the fatal dose of Fentanyl? Or when he actually died from it?

It's pretty well established that Chauvin did not apply enough pressure to stop blood flow through the carotid artery, or enough to cut off the airflow through the trachea. There would have been major bruising of the neck if he had. The autopsy found none.

So, something else killed him. Tops on the list of possibilites was obviously the usually-fatal dose of Fentanyl he had in his bloodstream.

Anybody have any other possibility?

No, that's it. So far, the trial in court is pretty well conducted. The trial going on in this thread is something else.
 
Old 04-05-2021, 08:41 PM
 
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Who cares about the internal carotid? All one needs to do is occlude the common carotid.
It does appear ostensibly as if the knee is pushing against the mandibular ramus in your first image.

Ultimately, there's not much we can do if you claim to see something different to what I'm seeing.
 
Old 04-05-2021, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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No, it's you who need to step back and don't muddy the waters. If you have any credible professional training, you would know well when to put your two cents in. No one here is strutting their stuff as a court-appointed expert giving evidence except you.
Sorry if my "expert evidence" is agitating you. However, you should remember that this is a discussion forum. What else should we discuss on this thread, the hairstyle of the defendant?
 
Old 04-05-2021, 09:09 PM
 
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The brain dies from asphyxia before there is death on the cellular level throughout the body. In other words, cells will continue to release Co2 into the blood for up to hours after clinical death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinic...0resuscitation.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the this case. The Emergency Room physician would be interpreting an arterial blood gas test drawn in the EMS rig or immediately upon arrival to the ER not hours after death.
 
Old 04-05-2021, 09:27 PM
 
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Sorry if my "expert evidence" is agitating you. However, you should remember that this is a discussion forum. What else should we discuss on this thread, the hairstyle of the defendant?

There is nothing wrong with you giving your take on the matter. Asserting professional authority is something else. No one here is soliciting your expertise; otherwise, there is no discussion.
 
Old 04-05-2021, 11:23 PM
 
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Sure looks like the knee is right on the area of Floyd's neck where the common carotid artery is located.


Attachment 228454


https://abcnews.go.com/US/derek-chau...ry?id=70961042
Ironically, I was going to quote that picture in support of my position. Try feeling for the artery in your neck. Maybe yours is much further back, but mine is in the area which is clearly visible in that picture - proof that there was no pressure on Floyd’s artery from Chauvin’s notorious knee, which therefore could not have deprived his heart of blood.
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