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Old 04-06-2021, 03:14 PM
 
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Originally Posted by lucyinthesky444 View Post
As I said, the defense attorney won his case today. He didn't just instill a "reasonable doubt", which is all the defense really needs to do. He used the witnesses to established that kneeling on Floyd as Chauvin did, could not have killed Floyd... according to the witnesses' very own testimony.

Under Defense questioning, the witnesses said that:




2.) To cut off the blood flow to the brain, you have to compress the SIDES of the neck. And you have to do it on both sides of the neck
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some experts say people can be rendered unconscious by compressing the carotid artery on one side of the next but it takes longer

Anyway it could be argued that in the handcuffed and prone position and being pinned down at his neck, back and legs, that this lead to his death.
One could argue the drugs could have contributed it but the fact that in the last few minutes of the 9 or so minutes he had stopped talking and moving but was still being held down and this could be called reckless disregard, perhaps manslaughter


https://www.kare11.com/article/news/...b-50a1237fc496

When Floyd is handcuffed and lying stomach-down in the street, Officer Thomas Lane asked the officers, "Should we get his legs up, or is this good?"

Chauvin said to "leave him."

Lane asked again if Floyd should be rolled on his side, and Chauvin responded "no."

Whatever the case may be Chauvin will probably not be acquitted of all charges because he has police officers testifying against him and there will be testimony about this side recovery position that was in the MPD manual but was not done.

The argument that he was unconscious in that last few minutes but he cold have recovered and become hostile again is going to play weakly

He is on his stomach, in handcuffs and has three people on top of him. And he has stopped moving and talking but it still went on.
Chauvin was probably pissed off and wanted him knocked out
but at some point didn't care what condition he was in and it went too far

 
Old 04-06-2021, 03:15 PM
 
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Do you happen to know if the MPD or other police departments have policies re accepting medical help from bystanders ? I can see potential benefits, but then again, how do you know the bystander's actual qualifications, if the offer is from a crackpot, or what happens if the bystander is injured by the suspect.
Well normally officers are CPR certified and are required to give life saving medical attention. Til such time as emt or a higher grade medical personnel can make on scene. So for example: during a foot chase the officer subdues the subject, sees open blood gushing from the abdomen. He proceeds to call it in and summon EMT to be dispatched, and advises that he is going to start aide to reduce the bleeding.
Those are fair and reasonable actions expected of the trained officer.

As to times where officers rely on a community or crowd of people one that comes to mind was the evacuation of a building when a threat was in process. People were carrying out others or getting folks out of harm's way. I won't detail the event yet that is a time where the resource of the public can assist 'the public safety' .
 
Old 04-06-2021, 03:37 PM
 
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When MPD Officer Nicole Mackenzie was asked about breathing and talking her response was: just because there talking doesn't mean they are breathing properly.
This is very important. People who are not properly breathing can still express distress. Floyd pleaded for help, expressing medical distress. The officers’ initial response was to restrain him. After Floyd became unresponsive, and reported to be pulseless by PO Lane, Chauvin continued to kneel on the victim, refusing aid, refusing to even reposition the restrained, unconscious victim per MPD policy.

People who deny the fact that Chauvin played a very big hand in Floyd’s death need to look in the mirror and reassess their life.
 
Old 04-06-2021, 03:40 PM
 
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Your statement doesn't match the medical examiner's.
Yes, it really does. The cause of death was a heart attack, when you factor in the fatal dose of Fentanyl he ingested along with the meth in his system and him struggling on the ground, that's pretty much how you can ensure a heart attack happens.

He was feeling like he couldn't breathe long before he was on the ground, he felt that way because that's how you feel when you are having a heart attack.

In short, I think there could be some kind of charge against the officer, but George Floyd is not dead BECUASE of anything the officer did.
 
Old 04-06-2021, 03:52 PM
 
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This is very important. People who are not properly breathing can still express distress. Floyd pleaded for help, expressing medical distress. The officers’ initial response was to restrain him. After Floyd became unresponsive, and reported to be pulseless by PO Lane, Chauvin continued to kneel on the victim, refusing aid, refusing to even reposition the restrained, unconscious victim per MPD policy.

People who deny the fact that Chauvin played a very big hand in Floyd’s death need to look in the mirror and reassess their life.
Hard to see in a mirror with eyes closed and in the dark.

That pressure on the carotid artery in the neck can be restricted by force to impede blood and oxygen flow. Think of the artery as a blown up balloon. Leaning in on it creates an impasse , sometimes a clot can be that impasse. Either way, the pressure by clot or force on an artery can trascend to heart and lungs malfunctioning.
My aunt jokingly said that of course there is no bruising, dead folks don't bruise . The pinched pressure can transpire without bruising. She knows as she had an artery pinched that immediately had her in the hospital.
 
Old 04-06-2021, 04:02 PM
 
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I am sure you have vast experience but let's focus only on that pertinent to medical examination of subjects who are dead on arrival in an emergency room of a hospital after encounter with the police. Do you have any?

An anesthesiologist helps ensure the safety of patients undergoing surgery. You might as well be a dentist in this regard. Just because you have studied medicine doesn't give you expertise in every aspect of the practice of that profession.
Anesthesia is part of the emergency response team in most hospitals. We are called to secure and manage the airway during arrests. The large medical center, where I practice, is a level 1 trauma center. That means those patients in the ED are often taken to the OR immediately wherein anesthesia is there to stabilize the patient.

Whether or not patients had an encounter with "police" before arriving to the ED is irrelevant regarding the condition and/or stabilization of the patient.
 
Old 04-06-2021, 04:09 PM
 
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Yes, it really does. The cause of death was a heart attack, when you factor in the fatal dose of Fentanyl he ingested along with the meth in his system and him struggling on the ground, that's pretty much how you can ensure a heart attack happens.

He was feeling like he couldn't breathe long before he was on the ground, he felt that way because that's how you feel when you are having a heart attack.

In short, I think there could be some kind of charge against the officer, but George Floyd is not dead BECUASE of anything the officer did.
I must have missed your testimony on the stand. Which expert were you?
 
Old 04-06-2021, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Without considering any alleged drug use, stopping blood flow to the brain will be fatal if continued beyond loss of consciousness. Mr Floyd was already restrained, proned out and surrounded by officers. It's my opinion he was executed by a murderer who knew what he was doing and how to conceal his crime.
Obviously Chauvin thought he was going to get away with murder. His Sgt had four officers tied up on a nickel and dime call and never paid attention, neither did the Lt.
Today’s guest was the Training cutie. Every Police Station is full of them. She wanted to be. A police officer until she got to be one. Then she got an office job and the city is paying a police officer to do a clerks job
 
Old 04-06-2021, 04:37 PM
 
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I feel bad for ex officer Lane
If he hadn’t crossed paths with Chauvin he may have been good cop.
It’s hard to stand up to senior officers with 20 years on the job when you have been on the job one week.

“As per the motion/transcript, PO Lane asked several times if George Floyd should be rolled onto his side, & several times PO Chauvin told him no. PO Lane stated he was worried about “excited delirium or whatever” & “in the Academy when someone is on drugs, they work themselves up and they can have issues from that."
 
Old 04-06-2021, 04:40 PM
 
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If I understand correctly none of the supervisory officers or training experts has testified that it was safe or in department policy for chauvin to kneel on the neck of a handcuffed unresponsive pulseless suspect until his pupils or blown.
They all said this was not the right thing to do and dangerous?
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