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Old 04-14-2021, 02:30 PM
 
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Too bad the prosecution's whole case is based on asphyxia and not cardiac arrest.
The prosecution's case is based on Floyd dying under Chauvin's knee, and Chauvin doing nothing to help Floyd.

 
Old 04-14-2021, 02:33 PM
 
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Too bad the prosecution's whole case is based on asphyxia and not cardiac arrest.
Actually it's based on assault.(felony)
It based on 2nd degree manslaughter and 3rd degree.
Not to shabby that the state is meeting and exceeding the burden of proof.
 
Old 04-14-2021, 02:33 PM
 
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Too bad the prosecution's whole case is based on asphyxia and not cardiac arrest.
Since the defense’s forensic pathologist just deferred respiratory physiology to Dr Tobin, I would definitely give a lot more weight on the question of asphyxia and hypoxia to Dr. Tobin.

Too bad for the defense.

And you do know the standard for felony murder in the 2nd and 3rd degrees in MN, correct?
 
Old 04-14-2021, 02:35 PM
 
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Too bad the prosecution's whole case is based on asphyxia and not cardiac arrest.
The case is that Floyd died from cardiopulmonary arrest due to the actions of Chauvin.
 
Old 04-14-2021, 02:47 PM
 
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The prosecution's case is based on Floyd dying under Chauvin's knee, and Chauvin doing nothing to help Floyd.
They do have to provide a consistent explanation as to how that happened. Right now it's a convoluted mess. You can see posters here have now swiveled to heart failure as the cause of death rather than the prosecution's explanation of asphyxiation. If Floyd's heart failed that's quite a bit different than Chauvin strangling Floyd to death with his knee.

I do support manslaughter charges, which seems to be what most of you are arguing for. I looks like negligence of duty in the failure to flip Floyd over and perform CPR. That's a whole different thing than murder.
 
Old 04-14-2021, 02:49 PM
 
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They seem to be attempting to ‘muddy the water’. The fact that other causes may have contributed to George Floyd’s death does not relieve the defendant of criminal liability.
They are trying hard but not doing a good job.
 
Old 04-14-2021, 02:49 PM
 
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They do have to provide a consistent explanation as to how that happened. Right now it's a convoluted mess. You can see posters here have now swiveled to heart failure as the cause of death rather than the prosecution's explanation of asphyxiation. If Floyd's heart failed that's quite a bit different than Chauvin strangling Floyd to death with his knee.

I do support manslaughter charges, which seems to be what most of you are arguing for. I looks like negligence of duty in the failure to flip Floyd over and perform CPR. That's a whole different thing than murder.
Failed to flip him over? How 'bout made sure he was good and dead before he got off him? How some can continue to defend his reprehensible actions is stunning.
 
Old 04-14-2021, 02:49 PM
 
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Since the defense’s forensic pathologist just deferred respiratory physiology to Dr Tobin, I would definitely give a lot more weight on the question of asphyxia and hypoxia to Dr. Tobin.

Too bad for the defense.

And you do know the standard for felony murder in the 2nd and 3rd degrees in MN, correct?
I would defer to the medical examiner who did the autopsy.

I did post the standard for murder in MN after one of your other posts showed a lack of understanding. If you take intent out of it, there are other requirements then that have to be fulfilled besides someone just dying.
 
Old 04-14-2021, 02:50 PM
 
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The case is that Floyd died from cardiopulmonary arrest due to the actions of Chauvin.

Which is no different from accusing Chauvin of causing Floyd to die from a broken heart.
 
Old 04-14-2021, 02:52 PM
 
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Quite cognizant.
The following is a breakdown :
This statement sometimes surprises street officers who often don’t understand all the implications of having a prisoner in their “custody.” It doesn’t matter whether you are a police officer transporting a prisoner from a street arrest scene, a police officer picking up a prisoner for court, a police officer transporting a sick inmate, a detective taking a prisoner out of lock up to a remote site for an interview, or an airport police officer holding a person for transport, you are now responsible for that prisoner’s “care and wellbeing.”

Understanding this concept will keep you safer—both physically and legally. Police officers, once you take a subject into custody that person becomes a prisoner. He or she is now in custody and you are totally responsible for their “care and wellbeing” until such time as you request additional assistance and find other law enforcement, medical healthcare professionals, or mental health professional to assist you or are able to turn the prisoner over to other appropriate public safety professionals. In other words, YOU ARE IT. You need to understand this and understand how to do your job properly, legally, and safely.

Hope this helps.
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