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Old 04-18-2021, 12:00 PM
 
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Re:bold: you are simply right.

As Desmond Tutu once observed, "People with power have an incredible capacity for wanting to be able to retain that power & don't like scrutiny."

Our laws grant police officers enormous leeway in these types of situations. That's why they are seldom charged, & even when charged seldom convicted.

There are no heroes here, & there will be no perfect justice. Perfect Justice is beyond the scope of humanity. Perfect Justice would return our loved ones to us after being wrongfully killed.

Human Justice consists of remedies after the fact, legal or otherwise, that's all we got.

& perhaps I am wrong to claim there are no heroes here?

The civilian bystanders who documented what took place can be considered heroes in my book.

They succeeded where our laws have failed; they made it impossible for them to avoid scrutiny.

If bystanders are not cowards, we would not need police officers to step up. Police officers are seldom charged because their conduct are reviewed by superior officers who have experience stepping up to deal with your loved ones with rap sheets for violent crime.

 
Old 04-18-2021, 12:22 PM
 
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If bystanders are not cowards, we would not need police officers to step up. Police officers are seldom charged because their conduct are reviewed by superior officers who have experience stepping up to deal with your loved ones with rap sheets for violent crime.
You're not making sense again, Chenping. I like it when you're reasonable & rational.
 
Old 04-18-2021, 12:31 PM
 
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Your comment gave me the perception you were saying that it was OK to use that technique as if you are excusing the officer. I went to the website that you posted at the end. The website quotes a line from the MPD "the maximal restraint technique shall only be used in situations where handcuffed subjects are combative and still pose a threat to themselves, officers or others, or could cause significant damage property if not properly restrained."

I ask, was Mr. Floyd combative or not when the officer had his knee on the neck? Does it look like he posed a threat? From what I can see in the video, my answer is NO to both questions. He was begging to let go. I did not see the officer being moved around because Mr. Floyd was resisting. Read the rest of the article, and I suggest you take a close look at the guidance and the other points cited in the article, such as when to move the individual to the side for recovery. The other officer did suggest that.
You have a great day.
elamigo

Mr Floyd was combative until he was subdued with a knee on his neck. Mr. Floyd did not pose a danger to cowards - working for Cup Foods and bystanders taking videos and criticizing - who did not step up to deal with him. Mr. Floyd was not a stranger to violence. He had a rap sheet that includes armed robbery. He worked as a bouncer and was capable of initiating violent, physically aggressive altercation. Restraining Mr. Floyd is no different from restraining an alligator. When the beast stops resisting after you have your knee on its neck, you keep your damn knee there. You don't take it off or turn the gator in a recovery position.

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Old 04-18-2021, 12:35 PM
 
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Mr Floyd was combative until he was subdued with a knee on his neck. Mr. Floyd did not pose a danger to cowards - working for Cup Foods and bystanders taking videos and criticizing - who did not step up to deal with him. Mr. Floyd is not a stranger to violence. He had a rap sheet that includes armed robbery. He worked as a bouncer and was capable of initiating violent, physical aggressive altercation. Restraining Mr. Floyd is no different from restraining an alligator. When the beast stop resisting after you have your knee on its neck, you keep your damn knee there. You don't take it off or turn the gator in a recovery position.
He's not a gator, he's a human being. All of Chauvin's supervisors said procedure is to turn someone on their side when they are subdued so that they can breathe. Period. He didn't do that and they all acknowledged he was wrong.
 
Old 04-18-2021, 12:38 PM
 
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He's not a gator, he's a human being. All of Chauvin's supervisors said procedure is to turn someone on their side when they are subdued so that they can breathe. Period. He didn't do that and they all acknowledged he was wrong.

Which Chauvin's supervisors are you talking about?
 
Old 04-18-2021, 12:44 PM
 
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Which Chauvin's supervisors are you talking about?
Sgt. David Pleoger and Medaria Arradondo.
 
Old 04-18-2021, 01:15 PM
 
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The molotovs are being prepared as we speak...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90_sdv1jjPk
 
Old 04-18-2021, 02:23 PM
 
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Starting to think there maybe a not guilty verdict. Huh
 
Old 04-18-2021, 03:11 PM
 
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Smart business owners in Minneapolis now would be well advised to start preparing, now is not the time to be concerned with social media 'heroes' potentially calling out businesses for closing and boarding up due to potential riots ('racist' behavior).

If I owned a business there, I would close for the rest of this month and onto next. Board up all the front windows and remove anything of value inside the store. Pay my employees upfront for one month their salary and tell them to be somewhere safe. Ensure all my insurance is up to date.
 
Old 04-18-2021, 03:15 PM
 
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Mr Floyd was combative until he was subdued with a knee on his neck. Mr. Floyd did not pose a danger to cowards - working for Cup Foods and bystanders taking videos and criticizing - who did not step up to deal with him. Mr. Floyd was not a stranger to violence. He had a rap sheet that includes armed robbery. He worked as a bouncer and was capable of initiating violent, physically aggressive altercation. Restraining Mr. Floyd is no different from restraining an alligator. When the beast stops resisting after you have your knee on its neck, you keep your damn knee there. You don't take it off or turn the gator in a recovery position.
Conjecture!

From chickens to alligators. I'm beginning to think you live in the wild. That would explain some of the skewed and uneducated conclusions.
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