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Old 03-28-2021, 09:28 AM
 
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Where you and other lefties make your mistake is in assuming that all money and assets belong to the Fed Gov. That makes you think that any failure to collect potential taxpayer money/assets is a "cost." In order to think that way, you must be of the belief that the Fed Gov owns everything and we as individuals own nothing.

Is that your true belief?

Even worse, the Fed Gov has the power to and freely practices printing money for its own ends beyond the value of taxpayers' assets, so why are taxes even necessary?
Part & parcel of the catechism of 'People are slaves'.

This type of absolutism, delivered with religious fervor by disciples, holds that government is always wrong.

It's unreasonable, particular when the beliefs are not based on evidence, but based on a deep seated need to believe.

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I am speeches!
Hi Speeches.
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Old 03-28-2021, 09:45 AM
 
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The top 10% own 84% of stocks, bottom 90% own 16%, one of the inequities and a reason that stock market increases benefit the wealthy more than those in the middle and low income. Sure it's a benefit to all but a terrible reason to sell tax reform.


https://ritholtz.com/2020/01/stock-ownership/
That short piece makes a few other good points for reasonable folks to consider:

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If you choose to focus on the stock market as a measure of how well the US economy is doing, you are missing a huge part of the picture.

This is especially true for gig economy workers, younger workers, areas outside of the wealthy coasts and cities, and workers displace by technology and globalization.

Its great that the stock market is up and at record highs; but that is only half the story. Or, to be more precise, about 10% of the recovery story.
Although unreasonable imho, some folks place their entire focus on their own ideological beliefs, while ignoring the huge parts of the picture that don't fit into their rigid absolutist belief system.
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Old 03-28-2021, 09:52 AM
 
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Part & parcel of the catechism of 'People are slaves'.

This type of absolutism, delivered with religious fervor by disciples, holds that government is always wrong.

It's unreasonable, particular when the beliefs are not based on evidence, but based on a deep seated need to believe.



Hi Speeches.
Except for throwing out big words without any backing, you have yet to answer any questions. If people aren’t your slaves, why can’t a company aka shareholders move their jobs elsewhere freely?
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Old 03-28-2021, 10:06 AM
 
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The labor laws weren't changed though so why should they come back ? We have very high labor costs and labor costs is more than just your salary.
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The answer is they haven't left. They've just moved jobs to other countries where labor costs less.
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What's wrong with that?
The problematic part is that most folks need jobs in order to buy food, clothing, shelter, or other products as you noted below.

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No businesses = no food, clothing, shelter, or other products to buy = no jobs, as well. Businesses are actually essential.
The problematic part is when businesses move jobs to other countries, Americans don't have the jobs required to buy food, clothing, shelter, etc.

What is their value to America? Particularly when they owe no allegiance or loyalty to the American people.
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Old 03-28-2021, 10:10 AM
 
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Except for throwing out big words without any backing, you have yet to answer any questions. If people aren’t your slaves, why can’t a company aka shareholders move their jobs elsewhere freely?
Corporations aren't people, they are legal fictive entities created to avoid personal liability, accountability, responsibility.

Individual shareholders are not legally responsible for the corporation's debts, damages, & any harms beyond their investment in the company.

People are not slaves.

A company can move jobs elsewhere.
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Old 03-28-2021, 10:26 AM
 
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Part & parcel of the catechism of 'People are slaves'.

This type of absolutism, delivered with religious fervor by disciples, holds that government is always wrong.
Well, guess what? The left's belief that individuals and businesses own nothing and the government owns everything and can therefore decide how much of the fruits of one's own labor individuals and businesses are "allowed" to keep is absolute... absolutely abhorrent.
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Old 03-28-2021, 10:33 AM
 
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Well, guess what? The left's belief that individuals and businesses own nothing and the government owns everything and can therefore decide how much of the fruits of one's own labor individuals and businesses are "allowed" to keep is absolute... absolutely abhorrent.
Apparently we've exited the realm of reason & entered religious territory. Have a nice day.
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Old 03-28-2021, 10:51 AM
 
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Apparently we've exited the realm of reason & entered religious territory. Have a nice day.
Nothing religious about denouncing tax slavery. No, the government does not own the fruits of anyone's labor. Therefore, the government cannot mete out what it'll allow one to keep, despite the fact that lefties wish they did/could.
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Old 03-28-2021, 11:26 AM
 
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Corporations aren't people, they are legal fictive entities created to avoid personal liability, accountability, responsibility.

Individual shareholders are not legally responsible for the corporation's debts, damages, & any harms beyond their investment in the company.

People are not slaves.

A company can move jobs elsewhere.
If a company can move jobs as they wish, why is that a problem for you, assuming you are not a shareholder or the slave master?
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Old 03-28-2021, 02:14 PM
 
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The problematic part is that most folks need jobs in order to buy food, clothing, shelter, or other products as you noted below.



The problematic part is when businesses move jobs to other countries, Americans don't have the jobs required to buy food, clothing, shelter, etc.

What is their value to America? Particularly when they owe no allegiance or loyalty to the American people.
Libertarian crappers like lifeexplorer came from china to canada to usa. For them nation , country means nothing. Only thier hash matters.
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