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Old 03-29-2021, 07:05 AM
 
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Why do Democrats do everything that causes crime rates to skyrocket such as eliminating cash bail and no longer making it a felony if you steal less than $1000 but then want to take guns away from people? Does that make sense?
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Old 03-29-2021, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Currently in Florida for a little while
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Democrats pander to black folks.
Much of the economy in black neighborhoods is centered around criminal activities, such as drug dealing, selling stolen merchandise, etc.

This is one of the reasons why Democrats want to decriminalize "minor crimes", they're mainly doing this for their inner city black constituents.
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Old 03-29-2021, 07:39 AM
 
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Abolish the drug laws, and completely do away with the DEA...and 90% of this crime disappears.


Only when a substance is prohibited, can the criminals profit and thrive.


Proof of this is what happened after alcohol prohibition ended...the criminals were forced out, and today, its legitimate companies that manufacture and distribute alcohol, (the exception would be moonshine, but that is a very very small 'niche' and only in a few areas of the country), but there is rarely any violence or crime associated with moonshiners.
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Old 03-29-2021, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Abolish the drug laws, and completely do away with the DEA...and 90% of this crime disappears.


Only when a substance is prohibited, can the criminals profit and thrive.


I agree but lets add that a drug addict that wants to slowly kill himself will be allowed to die when he overdoses. We spend so much money to save, rehab and help addicts but then they go right back to the drugs. If let them pass their pain will be gone and their family and loved ones can move on. Terrible I know but if they legalize drugs there will be a rash of over doses before it levels off.


The same can be said if they ban and seize guns. We will see a rash of emboldened and armed criminals seizing on the recently unarmed because they know they will not face any armed victims. We will see an uptick in murders of innocent people but it will eventually level off when the criminals run out of bullets.





Of course the Democrats are well practiced at blaming the inanimate objects and never putting the blame on the person that actually pulls the trigger unless that person happens to be white....



What is really sad is that the Democrats pretend to stand (or kneel) for Black Lives Matter but in reality they do not care because they are just letting black people murder each other.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:17 AM
 
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I agree but lets add that a drug addict that wants to slowly kill himself will be allowed to die when he overdoses. We spend so much money to save, rehab and help addicts but then they go right back to the drugs. If let them pass their pain will be gone and their family and loved ones can move on. Terrible I know but if they legalize drugs there will be a rash of over doses before it levels off.


The same can be said if they ban and seize guns. We will see a rash of emboldened and armed criminals seizing on the recently unarmed because they know they will not face any armed victims. We will see an uptick in murders of innocent people but it will eventually level off when the criminals run out of bullets.





Of course the Democrats are well practiced at blaming the inanimate objects and never putting the blame on the person that actually pulls the trigger unless that person happens to be white....



What is really sad is that the Democrats pretend to stand (or kneel) for Black Lives Matter but in reality they do not care because they are just letting black people murder each other.
I disagree on there being a rash of overdoses...


Many people who overdose do so, because they are not aware of whats in the drug they are ingesting...if drugs are legalized, their manufacture would be highly regulated, there would be quality control standards...


But when the drugs are made in jungle huts, and they can throw anything and everything into the mixture, naturally its going to be much more deadly.


Plus, the lower street level dealers will often add other substances, (to add weight/value), this contributes significantly to overdose rates...but again, if drugs were legalized, there would be no street level dealers.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:26 AM
 
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Abolish the drug laws, and completely do away with the DEA...and 90% of this crime disappears.

Only when a substance is prohibited, can the criminals profit and thrive.

Proof of this is what happened after alcohol prohibition ended...the criminals were forced out, and today, its legitimate companies that manufacture and distribute alcohol, (the exception would be moonshine, but that is a very very small 'niche' and only in a few areas of the country), but there is rarely any violence or crime associated with moonshiners.
I had this very conversation with a friend that provides legal defense for the people you mention above.

I can definitely see some decrease occurring but I asked them if some dude making 50k, 100k a year or whatever selling drugs is going to go legit and start showing up for $13/hour at Burger Barn or whatever?

That's a fat no.

I'm in agreement with you about most of the drug war stuff, but I think that the idea the impoverished young men from poor communities with established criminal organizations are going to turn away from criminal life if we legalize drugs is often pushed as an argument but I have my doubts if it will be a meaningful impact.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:32 AM
 
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Chicago has 1,000 people out on electronic monitoring for gun related crimes vs. 400 in 2019.

(This is part of their reforms with regards to bail etc.)

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/8/...brown-kim-foxx

Of course, Kim Foxx (infamous for letting Jussie Smolletts off the hook as a political favor) thinks it's having no effect.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:33 AM
 
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Abolish the drug laws, and completely do away with the DEA...and 90% of this crime disappears.


Only when a substance is prohibited, can the criminals profit and thrive.


Proof of this is what happened after alcohol prohibition ended...the criminals were forced out, and today, its legitimate companies that manufacture and distribute alcohol, (the exception would be moonshine, but that is a very very small 'niche' and only in a few areas of the country), but there is rarely any violence or crime associated with moonshiners.
Please explain the bolded. Legalizing's drugs isn't going to make them free. Addicts are still going to have to come up with the cash to pay for them. If anything, it is going to make things worse. With all drugs being legal, you've eliminated an entire economic tier from these areas. With no reason for Little Johnny to be slinging whatever at the street corner, what will he now do for cash ?
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:41 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Why do Democrats do everything that causes crime rates to skyrocket such as eliminating cash bail and no longer making it a felony if you steal less than $1000 but then want to take guns away from people? Does that make sense?
People battle, when one violates the other by threat of violence, or taking their property.
Your right to defend yourself from ALL FORMS of oppression, was yours before government and does not come from government. You are not their property to have a say, or to keep you safe. Their job is to adjudicate to see if it was justified.
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Old 03-29-2021, 08:43 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The vast majority of violent crime and property destruction happen in Democrat run cities. It is most definitely Democrat policies which are the root cause.
When the courts are corrupt, street justice plays out in nature.
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