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The question is as meaningful as "Who'd win in there prime Joe Louis or Ali?" Will other nations take their agreements more seriously because the U.S. might let you play politics while a Dem is in office, but if you're not fulfilling your agreements when a Repub comes in, then you're going to be hurting when the oppotunity comes? I'm under the impression we have hybrids in the theatre right now. You can't substitute real life action. The military was emaciated by Clinton and there was no real war experience with current tactics. We might be a hair away from giving Iran a taste of the nuclear they so desire.
It's such a melodramatic question that has no practical answer. There are just too many vairables that we'll never know...
Didn't they say they were going to pull the troops out?
But with an election coming up Democrats thought it was the wrong time to get aggressive about pullinig the troops out. This is because they were afraid in doing so that Republicans would label them as unwilling to stand up to terrorism.
But with an election coming up Democrats thought it was the wrong time to get aggressive about pullinig the troops out. This is because they were afraid in doing so that Republicans would label them as unwilling to stand up to terrorism.
Lets see, since Bush was elected president, I have gotten a great college education (masters degree from prestigious Texas A&M University), gotten a job in my field of study that pays great, bought a nice home in west central Houston so yeah I guess I am better off! Regarding the bigger picture, Houston has been booming with crazy job growth and low unemployment so I think thing s are pretty good here. However my complaint is with some corporations that ship jobs overseas and leave alot of the middle class high and dry in parts of the country, not to mention greedy wall street types that exploit people in the market (think that lowlife george soros). So everything is not great nesisarily, but around here things seem fine for most.
I think asking if the Iraqis are better off is a straightforward question. is their level of security better without Saddam? Has their healthcare and income level increased? As far as your assertion that - "I actually don't know of any reasonable effort by Iraqis to solicit US help " - they have been crying out for help in rebuilding their country and have received virtually nothing. Kinda like Katrina, only over 5 years.
Not trying to be evasive gorgeet, but whether the Iraqis will ever actually be better off only time will tell. Right now they have a physically threatening situation-- just different than the one they had before. Civil strife continues and has always played a role in the makeup of Iraq.
What I was originally referring to was the constant statements from many sources that prior to our invasion the Iraqis requested our intervention. I can't say that I have ever seen anything to substantiate that the Iraqis actually requested what they got.
I think you pointed out the events that got us in Iraq.
The question is as meaningful as "Who'd win in there prime Joe Louis or Ali?" Will other nations take their agreements more seriously because the U.S. might let you play politics while a Dem is in office, but if you're not fulfilling your agreements when a Repub comes in, then you're going to be hurting when the oppotunity comes? I'm under the impression we have hybrids in the theatre right now. You can't substitute real life action. The military was emaciated by Clinton and there was no real war experience with current tactics. We might be a hair away from giving Iran a taste of the nuclear they so desire.
It's such a melodramatic question that has no practical answer. There are just too many vairables that we'll never know...
Melodramatic? Maybe, if you were an Iraqi woman looking at her child laying dead and bleeding. If China sent it's bombers on a 'shock and awe' invasion, supposedly to bring us 'democracy', and you were asked if you were better off, would that question have 'no practical answer'? Of course it would. What are you bringing boxing into it for - there is absolutely no relavance to my question.
And it is an absolute lie, repeated over and over by people who don't know what they are talking about, that 'The military was emaciated by Clinton'.
Not trying to be evasive gorgeet, but whether the Iraqis will ever actually be better off only time will tell. Right now they have a physically threatening situation-- just different than the one they had before. Civil strife continues and has always played a role in the makeup of Iraq.
What I was originally referring to was the constant statements from many sources that prior to our invasion the Iraqis requested our intervention. I can't say that I have ever seen anything to substantiate that the Iraqis actually requested what they got.
I think you pointed out the events that got us in Iraq.
The Iraqis never asked us to invade. Perhaps Achmed Chalibi did - and he was later revealed to be an Iranian spy.
The Iraqis certainly didn't asked to be blown to bits and made refugees by the millions.
'Only time will tell?'? I think time has told, pretty convincingly.
Lets see, since Bush was elected president, I have gotten a great college education (masters degree from prestigious Texas A&M University), gotten a job in my field of study that pays great, bought a nice home in west central Houston so yeah I guess I am better off! Regarding the bigger picture, Houston has been booming with crazy job growth and low unemployment so I think thing s are pretty good here. However my complaint is with some corporations that ship jobs overseas and leave alot of the middle class high and dry in parts of the country, not to mention greedy wall street types that exploit people in the market (think that lowlife george soros). So everything is not great nesisarily, but around here things seem fine for most.
You have attained your master's degree, hmm... well I guess, that balances out the 3 trillion tax dollars spent for this stupid war, not to mention the morality, or lack of it.
Melodramatic? Maybe, if you were an Iraqi woman looking at her child laying dead and bleeding.
Typical. You're changing it from a question of money (which you opened with) to your real argument: Does war have a redeeming quality? Is it necessary?
This is the patented liberal move. Just like changing the original definition of "liberal" to make it synonymous with "socialist"; just like using the word "progressive" so that socialism is considered progress; so to, you use a financial argument against the Iraq war to camouflage your true argument: War is wrong.
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If China sent it's bombers on a 'shock and awe' invasion, supposedly to bring us 'democracy', and you were asked if you were better off, would that question have 'no practical answer'? Of course it would.
There's inadequate information to answer the question. In it's current state, it's more melodrama.
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What are you bringing boxing into it for - there is absolutely no relavance to my question.
You don't consider anlogy a valuable tool for reasoning?
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And it is an absolute lie, repeated over and over by people who don't know what they are talking about, that 'The military was emaciated by Clinton'.
The information is so prolific on what he did... Unless of course, you're taking issue with the term "emaciation" but covertly using your issue with the term to defend Clinton?
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