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You did not answer the question but introduced red herrings
The Democratic Party made a black man leader of their party and elected him to the presidency twice and have a black /Asian presently VP. Your point is moot.
Please answer my question do you support and vote for the leader of the Republican Party Donald Trump who is dedicated to preserving confederate monuments. Why would you want to honor men who fought a war to abuse their fellow man and keep them as chattel. Who fought for the right to rape woman and children. Who fought for the right to sell small children away from their parents never to be seen again. What part of the GOPs “the south will rise again” wing is acceptable to you as a black person? Are you ok with the Jan 6th capitol guys wearing nazi shirts and waving confederate flags?
The argument that religious beliefs would make conservatism appealing to black Americans is lacking. Trump is the leader of American conservatism. He is a serial adulterer, pays off porn stars , a bully, a misogynist. He is under criminal investigation as he appears willing to engage in criminal activity, lie and cheat in pursuit of wealth and power. He does not adhere to any New Testament tenets that would indicate a relationship with Jesus.
The Bible does not say “An unrepentant sinner shall lead them”. I read the Bible unlike trump.
The black president didn't really help black folk. He made people feel good - blacks because someone represented us... whites because they thought by voting for him, they would end racism.
The current black VP locked up a bunch of black folk during one of her previous gigs.
There are black folks who defend the confederacy.
In response to your religion/Trump comments... Democrats kill black babies... BLM Inc supporters fatherless homes... Democrats will bring in illegals to undercut jobs that blacks may receive... Democrats support a genderless society... Democrats are OK with black folk shooting up ourselves up without much to say...
Nobody is pure... not Trump, not Biden, not Harris. So you can cancel out that argument. When Bill Clinton was hounded for his indiscretions, he was hailed as the first black president partly because white Republicans were constantly hounding him.
So understand that whenever you want to claim how bad someone is - there is also a resume from your side as well.
I’m in a weird place politically. I personally think progressivism is trash and overall doesn’t work. I’m not a fan of the alt right or any sort of group think narratives encouraged by the right. I think most conservative politicians are fairly bland and have nothing interesting to say. Same for liberal politicians. And I find there really isn’t a difference between the 2 parties with each party having interchangeable ideas whenever it’s politically convenient. I also think political partisanship is fairly toxic, doesn’t actually lead to anything great, and is basically political junk food.
Take the worst aspect of political junk food. Identity politics and novelty acts. Liberals do it a ton. They love their LGBTQZ political speakers and politicians. And love to advertise it. But conservatives are just as guilty. Enter the black conservative.
As a black man who has identified as a conservative. I often wonder who is black conservative political commentary actually for? I mean one person may naively think it’s for black people. But they don’t have anything compelling or interesting to say about black people. Or have any real messaging that’s new or insightful. Worst of all it’s mostly a critical idea but end game just seem to be “hey switch parties”. So that black people can just be ignored by Republicans like they’re currently ignored by democrats. It’s really no different honestly.
Biggest talking point is “stay in school, get a job, don’t join a gang, and take care of your family”. Yes this is the big talking point black people really need to hear. And the only people who ever tell black people they need to listen to black conservative commentators are white conservatives.
So what do they think. That black people aren’t ware of these things. As if black community is this bizzaro dimension where every encourages everyone to drop out school, join a gang, and abandon their children. News flash this preachy posturing is probably mode prevalent in the black community than probably any other community. Every preached and school teacher says this.
So I’m convinced that black conservatism and it’s talking point isn’t really meant for black peoples. It’s just a political vehicle to get black people to switch parties. And that’s kind of why it lacks any real substance. It isn’t really that radical since both parties are basically interchangeable at this point and will mostly attack problems in the same exact ways.
If all black people need to do is stay in school and get a great job. Then great. They don’t need to change parties to do that. They can do that no matter who is in office. That’s not a political movement that’s a self help guide.
As much as I hate police the mass problem of police brutality is solvable. Just move to a nice neighborhood and keep a low profile. I’m a 41 year old black man and I’ve never been stopped by the police once in my entire life. Mostly because I just avoid the situation entirely. That could be a personality thing, but whatever. Police are mostly useless and avoiding them is pretty easy when you leave the hood. I live in Philly and I know plenty of neighborhoods that are safe and I barely see police. And are inexpensive. If you can avoid police interactions in a city like Philly you can probably avoid them anywhere. Except Atlanta. But they typically just like to give our tickets and usually don’t shoot you.
Overall black conservatism sucks because its not really solving any problems. Or it’s not addressing any problems that could reasonably be solved by the political process. The reason why Democrats have failed with black people because you can politically strong arm your way into black prosperity. Since black prosperity really isn’t a political issue at all. And Republicans probably have even less of a clue. They have an issue doing anything meaningful for their existing base besides Sloganism.
I would be surprised if you really ARE conservative with this nonsensical post.
I feel very, very sorry for black conservatives/Republicans. And my sympathy for them is only exceeded by my respect for them in many ways.
What is there to feel sorry for? I just love how so called conservatives love to frame themselves as victims any chance they get. Yet love to lambast the left for doing the same thing. I reject all forms of victimhood.
I’ve been a liberal. I’ve been a lockstep Republican conservative. I’ve never felt like a victim or persecuted for my beliefs. Not by black people, not by white people. Or anyone else.
What is there to feel sorry for? I just love how so called conservatives love to frame themselves as victims any chance they get. Yet love to lambast the left for doing the same thing. I reject all forms of victimhood.
I’ve been a liberal. I’ve been a lockstep Republican conservative. I’ve never felt like a victim or persecuted for my beliefs. Not by black people, not by white people. Or anyone else.
I have a hard time believing that.
I catch hell from my family when current events come up... especially during the Trump days when there was daily anti-Trump propaganda being disseminated.
Maybe you don't say much to rock the boat. Which I don't do either for the most part - but I do hold firm to what is true.
Overall black conservatism sucks because its not really solving any problems. Or it’s not addressing any problems that could reasonably be solved by the political process. The reason why Democrats have failed with black people because you can politically strong arm your way into black prosperity. Since black prosperity really isn’t a political issue at all. And Republicans probably have even less of a clue. They have an issue doing anything meaningful for their existing base besides Sloganism.
Wrong! Liberalism has been tried in black communities and their public schools for over 50 years. They control and manage that system and it has failed badly over and over. Conservatism has never been tried in the black communities not even for 1 year to find out if it's better than liberalism (it is) You need 10 years min. to see if a system has a shot. Liberalism has decades and endless money from government and it has been a failure.
The reason liberalism has failed like the rest of the Latin Countries is you can't get out of poverty by being dependent on government or with identity politics. There is not an easy way to get out of poverty only through the private sector, work and personal responsibility but the key is the private sector. If blacks need to move zip codes to get opportunities in the private sector, that's what they have to do. Liberalism keeps telling them the system is against them but they will take care of you by more government and more identity politics. You decide but how more time do you need for liberalism in the black communities?
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Both Republicans and Democrats equally engage in identity politics and the OP nailed it when he said positions are interchangeable.
No they are not. Identity politics is on steroids for the Democrats. I have never seen it in the Republican party and if they start that's the last time I would be voting Republican. That's not true to say both are the same in identity politics. Not even on the same ball park. Not even on the same planet.
Just read the platforms on both parties and what comes out of their mouths. Democrats are all about identity politics and racial hiring above anything else. I have NEVER heard a Republican say, "vote for me because I'm white or a man" but Democrats will bring the gender and race card all the time. "Vote for me, I'm black or I am a woman."
Any Republican that tells me to vote for them because of their skin color or what they have between their legs will never get my vote and shouldn't.
I feel very, very sorry for black conservatives/Republicans. And my sympathy for them is only exceeded by my respect for them in many ways.
Black conservatives are the lucky ones. They got out of the democrat plantation. Sorry is what I feel for the blacks stuck in the system and the white liberals with guilt trying to pander to them. That's a sad picture.
The single greatest mistake that any group of people can make is to fanatically and blindly sell out to one side of the political divide. Black America made that mistake, voting anywhere from 80-95% Democrat. When one party (doesn't matter which one) can count on your vote no matter what, they don't have to do anything for you. When the opposite party can never earn your vote then they eventually just give up becoming bitter, resentful and vindictive about it. So you end up with one party who only has to pretend to care about and do things for you and another who, thinking that it's a lost cause, simply never tries to win you over.
The problem and the solution are pretty obvious: Always, always, always demand that candidates for political office earn your vote. Don't just blindly pull the lever because they're black or Democrat or for any other reason. Obama didn't do jack squat for black America, but they blacks voted for him anyways because "Hey! He looks like me!" Not a good reason.
Any group whose votes are up for grabs will get real action and real solutions from the people trying to win their votes. Any group that blindly votes for one side will get nothing.
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