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Old 04-01-2021, 07:50 AM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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Hogwash.

If you do not want the vaccine, do not take it.

There is no evidence that being vaccinated would make you more likely to have symptoms of Lyme disease, which you get from a tick bite, not by a "few leaves you crunched through with a tiny amount of BB scattered amongst them".

There is no evidence that vaccines cause MS or Alzheimer's disease.

Your anti-vaccine agenda is clear.
Thing is ... A lot of people are saying; "What about the long term effects?"

And most people do not know what that even means.

Over our years here arguing about vaccines on CD, you have admitted that no medical treatment or pharmaceutical product is 100% safe. You have acknowledged that there are indeed "rare" occurrences of adverse events from vaccination. Could you now please tell us what those are? Please identify at least one "long term" adverse effect from vaccination, so that readers here know what to look for.
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Old 04-01-2021, 07:52 AM
 
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I'll bet you that the majority of people who die from COVID, would've died from heart disease.

Should we continue to ban international travel, in-person schooling, family holiday gatherings, and small businesses?
Only 5% of death certificates list covid as the sole cause of death. https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-thir...150149631.html. Everyone else had a cofactor.
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Old 04-01-2021, 07:54 AM
 
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Obviously, everyone who dies of COVID would have died of something at some point. But that doesn't mean you don't try to stop it from killing millions of people, just because they're going to die st some point anyway.

There's room for discussion about measures that should be taken, but when you have huge groups of people who cry about doing something as simple as wearing a mask, governments tend to get more heavy handed.
78% of people hospitalized with covid were obese or I overweight. How about we deal with our obesity problem which is a very serious threat to health and stop relying on experimental pharmaceuticals and cloth to keep us “healthy”.
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Old 04-01-2021, 11:16 AM
 
Location: USA
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78% of people hospitalized with covid were obese or I overweight. How about we deal with our obesity problem which is a very serious threat to health and stop relying on experimental pharmaceuticals and cloth to keep us “healthy”.
Funny, how mostly Left leaning Democrats, vilified giant Pharmaceutical companies, to now where they are heroes.
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Old 04-01-2021, 11:49 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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78% of people hospitalized with covid were obese or I overweight. How about we deal with our obesity problem which is a very serious threat to health and stop relying on experimental pharmaceuticals and cloth to keep us “healthy”.
How would you like the government to "address" the obesity problem, exactly?

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Old 04-01-2021, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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https://www.valleycentral.com/news/v...id-19-vaccine/


Yeah, I think I'll take my chances with the virus that has a recovery rate of 99.7% versus a vaccine that might make my skin peel off.
The risk is a reaction like this guys and who knows what the long term effects of the vaccine are versus the risk of covid. For all but the elderly and those with medical issues, it's probably smarter to skip it and let your immune system take care of the virus if you get it.
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Old 04-01-2021, 12:14 PM
 
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78% of people hospitalized with covid were obese or I overweight. How about we deal with our obesity problem which is a very serious threat to health and stop relying on experimental pharmaceuticals and cloth to keep us “healthy”.
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How would you like the government to "address" the obesity problem, exactly?

I'm all for a comprehensive public approach to combat obesity. What do you suggest? When Michelle Obama tried to encourage people to move and to provide better school lunches, she was vilified by the right. Good luck passing legislation when you're fighting the corn (syrup), soft drink, and junk food lobbies.

In any case, the issue here is whether a person is at greater risk from COVID or from the vaccine. Evidence from the past year shows that exposure to COVID is statistically more dangerous than getting the vaccine.
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Old 04-01-2021, 12:24 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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I'm all for a comprehensive public approach to combat obesity. What do you suggest? When Michelle Obama tried to encourage people to move and to provide better school lunches, she was vilified by the right. Good luck passing legislation when you're fighting the corn (syrup), soft drink, and junk food lobbies.

In any case, the issue here is whether a person is at greater risk from COVID or from the vaccine. Evidence from the past year shows that exposure to COVID is statistically more dangerous than getting the vaccine.
Precisely. Reps to you.

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Old 04-01-2021, 12:53 PM
 
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Exactly! Michelle Obama tried to make people more aware, but it was all about the freedom to have a vat sized soda from the convenience store. She tried to get kids interested in physical activity, but was villified for that as well.
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Old 04-01-2021, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Thing is ... A lot of people are saying; "What about the long term effects?"

And most people do not know what that even means.

Over our years here arguing about vaccines on CD, you have admitted that no medical treatment or pharmaceutical product is 100% safe. You have acknowledged that there are indeed "rare" occurrences of adverse events from vaccination. Could you now please tell us what those are? Please identify at least one "long term" adverse effect from vaccination, so that readers here know what to look for.
There are rare adverse reactions to vaccines. Those reactions are due to variations in the physiology of the person who has the reaction, not because the vaccine itself is dangerous, because 999,999 out of a million take it with no adverse reactions at all.

You wish for "long term effects" to be things like Alzheimer's disease and MS. It's been studied; vaccines cause neither. Encephalitis has been associated with measles vaccine, and someone who has it could have long term disability from it. The hooker is that measles infection causes encephalitis much more often than the vaccine does.

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Only 5% of death certificates list covid as the sole cause of death. https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-thir...150149631.html. Everyone else had a cofactor.
People with chronic medical conditions are at greater risk for severe disease and death. That does not mean COVID-19 did not kill them and they died from their chronic illness. Even if someone had terminal cancer, if he died in the ICU with symptoms and lab findings of COVID-19 then the COVID-19 killed him before the cancer could.

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78% of people hospitalized with covid were obese or I overweight. How about we deal with our obesity problem which is a very serious threat to health and stop relying on experimental pharmaceuticals and cloth to keep us “healthy”.
Doctors have been battling obesity for decades before COVID-19 arrived on the scene. Doctors talk, patients go home and refuse to make the changes needed to lose weight. What do you propose that doctors do differently? How do you make someone lose weight who is not interested in doing so?
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