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Originally Posted by Steve Hazzard Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Hazzard My definition of "reasonable" is what is generally accepted to be the norm in a industrial, developed first world country such as the US and Canada. By any stretch of the imagination, 18 children is not acceptable for a western style country. Eighteen children may be OK for a tribe in the Amazon rain forest where the child mortality rate is 40 or 50%, but not in a first world country.
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Steve Hazzard
You are now engaging in circular logic for the sake of argument.
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laysayfair
No, he's not. I think he's trying to make you be specific so we can understand if your criteria has any objectivity to it at all or if it's just as subjective as it seems to be.
OK, I'm exceeding my daily quota of mouse clicks! Here's a flash for you, my criteria is a mix of objectivity and subjectivity, the ratio of which is determined by me at the time of my post!
What is day care have to do with it?? If you have 18 kids standing in line for 10 days to get your individual attention, then it's wrong.
You said kids need to be raised by their moms...? I thought you meant that. I wondered if that woman was raising her kids any less then mothers who left their children in daycare all day. But if you don't see it don't bother to answer. It was just a thought. if anyone else out there understands my point I'd be interested in where the line is between this woman and working mothers...
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Originally Posted by Steve Hazzard
You are now engaging in circular logic for the sake of argument.
Greatday
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Incorrect.
Who decides how many children a person can have?
YOU were the one who use the term "reasonable" - I'm asking you to define it.
I'm also going to ask you if, in your opinion, there should be a limit, by law, on the number of children someone can have in the United States
The term "reasonable" is a subjective term which is used when there is no definitive quantifying or qualifying statement. Having said that, applying the "reasonable person" standard as defined in legal terms, 18 children is not a "reasonable" quantifying term for children born to one set of parents in an industrial first world country such as the United States!
This is just simply not true, yet I read it over and over again. Just this last week "natural disasters" rid the worlds population of over 100k people. We're not even close to being overpopulated, and anyway, who decides what that arbitrary number is? It's like hazzards "reasonable" number of children. Honestly, as long as we aren't paying for them, which ironically, liberals are usually in favor of, it's none of our business how many kids they have.
Overpopulation is an issue for debate(not one I intend to have here). My post states "in my opinion"because that's what it is, as far as this post goes I would choose the number and I say 18 is too high. It is my business because I live in this world, and I have a right to want a livable earth for myself, my children, my grandchildren and beyond.
Greatday
The term "reasonable" is a subjective term which is used when there is no definitive quantifying or qualifying statement. Having said that, applying the "reasonable person" standard as defined in legal terms, 18 children is not a "reasonable" quantifying term for children born to one set of parents in an industrial first world country such as the United States!
My feelings are if parents can take care of their children and give them love and a stable
home, it is none of my business how many they have. I would much rather know that the children are happy and taken care of, rather the opposite where they are abused and neglected and have a miserable childhood.
I hope the government never steps in and dictates how many children we can have.
Greatday
The term "reasonable" is a subjective term which is used when there is no definitive quantifying or qualifying statement. Having said that, applying the "reasonable person" standard as defined in legal terms, 18 children is not a "reasonable" quantifying term for children born to one set of parents in an industrial first world country such as the United States!
I agree. I wouldn't support laws about it, but I don't need to because most people are reasonable and would never plan to have 18 children.
Overpopulation is an issue for debate(not one I intend to have here). My post states "in my opinion"because that's what it is, as far as this post goes I would choose the number and I say 18 is too high. It is my business because I live in this world, and I have a right to want a livable earth for myself, my children, my grandchildren and beyond.
Uh, no such right exists, but lets say for the sake of argument that it did; how do the Duggars affect these "rights"?
To be honest, your reasoning is quite scary, that you can decide someone else's choices because they simply don't line up with your own. That is fascism in the broadest sense.
Uh, no such right exists, but lets say for the sake of argument that it did; how do the Duggars affect these "rights"?
To be honest, your reasoning is quite scary, that you can decide someone else's choices because they simply don't line up with your own. That is fascism in the broadest sense.
OMG chill! I said in my opinion, that's all it is. Guess what? I have a right to want anything I want. I can't decide anyone's choice, that's paranoia!
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