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Old 05-10-2008, 04:50 AM
 
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All that matters is he wont hurt anyone ever again.
Nearly every statement that begins with the words "All that matters is" is false. Have you ever looked into what the effects of an execution are upon the rest of the lives of the innocent families and friends of the person put to death for instance? I hardly suspect so.

And should I take it that despite trying your very, very hardest, killing people is the only, only, only way you can think of to accomplish the end you have in mind? Should I take it as well to be assured that you yourself will not hurt anyone ever again? Again, I have my doubts. I suspect that you simply get a That'll show 'em! sense of macho enjoyment out of the act of killing people. Rather a sociopathic sort of thing, in the minds of many...
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Old 05-10-2008, 07:07 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Nearly every statement that begins with the words "All that matters is" is false. Have you ever looked into what the effects of an execution are upon the rest of the lives of the innocent families and friends of the person put to death for instance? I hardly suspect so.

And should I take it that despite trying your very, very hardest, killing people is the only, only, only way you can think of to accomplish the end you have in mind? Should I take it as well to be assured that you yourself will not hurt anyone ever again? Again, I have my doubts. I suspect that you simply get a That'll show 'em! sense of macho enjoyment out of the act of killing people. Rather a sociopathic sort of thing, in the minds of many...
I am sure the family and friends would be joyous and happy if only the person was in prison for life....

One thing for sure,not ONE of the criminals executed will commit another crime.

And THATS ALL THAT MATTERS.
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Old 05-10-2008, 07:48 AM
 
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He killed two children, give him his wish and execute him. I don't know why they are in prison for so long, getting repeal after repeal, what a waste of time and money.
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Nearly every statement that begins with the words "All that matters is" is false. Have you ever looked into what the effects of an execution are upon the rest of the lives of the innocent families and friends of the person put to death for instance?
As one who has been a witness to an execution (for the victims family), I know the closure the execution brought to the family.

As for your comment "......looked into what the effects of an execution are upon the rest of the lives of the innocent families and friends of the person put to death for instance" - Horse Hockey -
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Romeoville, IL
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Nearly every statement that begins with the words "All that matters is" is false. Have you ever looked into what the effects of an execution are upon the rest of the lives of the innocent families and friends of the person put to death for instance? I hardly suspect so.

And should I take it that despite trying your very, very hardest, killing people is the only, only, only way you can think of to accomplish the end you have in mind? Should I take it as well to be assured that you yourself will not hurt anyone ever again? Again, I have my doubts. I suspect that you simply get a That'll show 'em! sense of macho enjoyment out of the act of killing people. Rather a sociopathic sort of thing, in the minds of many...
I am against the death penalty for religious reasons, but this post came off as very snobby. You are the minority in this country by the way, people could make the case for you being sociopathic as well. I'm against the death penalty because I don't think it solves anything, and I think we should move beyond the days of government sanctioned execution. However, I respect that this man came to terms to the evil he committed, and is willing to pay the price for it. I wouldn't say he is honorable, but I would say that he is doing a good thing for the people he has effected.
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:28 AM
 
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As one who has been a witness to an execution (for the victims family), I know the closure the execution brought to the family.
How be they just go get some grief counseling instead. Tens of thousands of families lose loved ones in horrible ways every year. You don't get any special rights out of it.

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As for your comment "......looked into what the effects of an execution are upon the rest of the lives of the innocent families and friends of the person put to death for instance" - Horse Hockey -
Nice argument. Your compassion as a Man of God knows no bounds, I see...
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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How be they just go get some grief counseling instead. Tens of thousands of families lose loved ones in horrible ways every year. You don't get any special rights out of it..
Oh - they went to counseling as well -

But the bottom line is / was, the person abducted, raped, sodimized then killed their little girl will never be able to do so again -
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:38 AM
 
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I am against the death penalty for religious reasons, but this post came off as very snobby.
That's too bad. I could reword it, but the message would still be the same. The "At least they'll never hurt anyone again" argument is a non-starter.

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You are the minority in this country by the way...
So was Martin Luther King Jr. in his day. Now, there's a national holiday in his honor. Let me be the first to insist that "Saganista Day" be always celebrated on a Friday.

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...people could make the case for you being sociopathic as well.
No, they couldn't.

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I'm against the death penalty because I don't think it solves anything, and I think we should move beyond the days of government sanctioned execution.
Well, you're right about that much.
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:52 AM
 
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Oh - they went to counseling as well -
Apparently not enough. Life sometimes sucks. Despite assurances to the contrary from some, none of us is being specially protected from the worst that life has to offer. It can visit any of us in the span of a few fractions of a second. If we can't learn to accept the human condition as applying to ourselves, then perhaps grief counseling isn't the only kind that some of us would stand to benefit from.

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But the bottom line is / was, the person abducted, raped, sodimized then killed their little girl will never be able to do so again -
In all of our recorded history, what is the number of little girls that has been abducted, raped, sodomized, and killed by persons who were at the time serving a life sentence without parole?

Your supposed "bottom line" justification isn't even a proper part of the equation...
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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In all of our recorded history, what is the number of little girls that has been abducted, raped, sodomized, and killed by persons who were at the time serving a life sentence without parole?

Your supposed "bottom line" justification isn't even a proper part of the equation...
In many states, "Life without parole" does not mean "life without parole".

And, I disagree - the "bottom line" statement I made is a proper part of the equation. The scumbag will never be able to repeat his crimes on other children. Thats a fact.
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