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Old 04-01-2021, 09:08 PM
 
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I heard in only certain parts of Australia there are strict rules. I believe it was victoria where it seemed like a police state.

well if it's only for health care or aged care then that is not that bad. I thought it was for everyone and they needed the vaccine.

the numbers of deaths in the United States are inflated. They labeled anyone that tested positive as a covid death even if they did not die from covid directly. Also, our test is 1000 times more sensitive then in other countries.
So there was an outbreak in Victoria that got really bad (by our standards) very quickly. They did have strict rules that were enforceable by law, yes. It did result in the virus being knocked out and there being no virus in the community for months now.

Some did not agree with the method. But Australia for the most part is covid free. Whether you think that's a valuable outcome is up to you I guess. Life is pretty free as a result, so I'm glad they did it.

And yes I'm in an industry/have a business that really suffered, so don't throw that up as your next objection.
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Old 04-01-2021, 09:14 PM
 
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So there was an outbreak in Victoria that got really bad (by our standards) very quickly. They did have strict rules that were enforceable by law, yes. It did result in the virus being knocked out and there being no virus in the community for months now.

Some did not agree with the method. But Australia for the most part is covid free. Whether you think that's a valuable outcome is up to you I guess. Life is pretty free as a result, so I'm glad they did it.

And yes I'm in an industry/have a business that really suffered, so don't throw that up as your next objection.
Well, there are so many factors. some countries had strict laws and still had bad cases of the virus. some have had strict rules and low cases and deaths of the virus. some countries had loose laws and low cases of the virus.

they should of put the economy over health. Look this disease does kill but it's nowhere near other diseases we have had to take such drastic measures. isolate the old and let everyone else go on about their business.

For instance, In Sweden, they tried to preserve the economy and their results were not too bad. Italy was really strict but they had so many deaths.
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Old 04-01-2021, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Aren't restrictions now being lifted in many places? I don't get. We are starting to move away from adhering to wearing masks and other restrictions. It seems like end of year or beginning of next masks won't be needed.

So this logic doesn't make any sense. Also you can say left vs. right, but it seems like since the left has taken control here in the US, we are starting to phase out pandemic living...

Honestly, if every month the government was getting more and more restrictive, that would be one thing, but it's loosening up if anything.
Well, yes.
Today was opening day for MLB.
Twenty-one thousand people attended the Rockies’ game at Coors Field in Denver.

We just saw who knows how many spring breakers in Florida and elsewhere.

People are not confined to their homes.
Sure, it’s still recommended that everyone wear face coverings, but, people are certainly not being rounded up for not wearing one.
I find it shameful that whomever made this video is exploiting this woman’s memories this way.
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Old 04-02-2021, 12:44 PM
 
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Well, there are so many factors. some countries had strict laws and still had bad cases of the virus. some have had strict rules and low cases and deaths of the virus. some countries had loose laws and low cases of the virus.

they should of put the economy over health. Look this disease does kill but it's nowhere near other diseases we have had to take such drastic measures. isolate the old and let everyone else go on about their business.

For instance, In Sweden, they tried to preserve the economy and their results were not too bad. Italy was really strict but they had so many deaths.

A person who truly is decent will remove this thread. It is ugly and very misleading.
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Old 04-02-2021, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I'm questioning her macroscopic assessment of two differing time periods, and that's certainly a valid and reasonable exercise.

Is it possible her personal life situation is worse now than it was then? Sure that's possible. War is never the same for any 2 people.

Is it possible that the political situation in the US currently is actually worse for people like her in the aggregate than it was for Jews in Nazi Germany? No, sorry, I just can't contemplate any reasonable interpretation of events whereby that would be a realistic conclusion.

My grandfather was murdered by the Nazis in the streets and my father and his siblings were held in concentration camps. With all due respect to the lady, she either was exposed to a "gentler" side of what was happening in her area of Europe, or her memory is confused with what is now reality.


Skrew (not a bad word) comparing today's US politics and the Nazi concentration camps and Hitler. Like the way idiot AOC called a BP detention center a concentration camp, and others wearing a safety mask is like a yellow Star of David.
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Old 04-02-2021, 01:16 PM
 
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From an I Love Trump website. This is utterly, completely, total BS. Carry on Q morons.
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A 92 year old women says what is happening now with covid restrictions is worse than the holocaust. She says because now they are telling you its for your own good.

these governments have more power in some cases than in Nazi Germany. Could things turn really bad here? I believe so. instead of targeting just the jews now they are trying to control everyone. you might say this is nonsense but I would assume someone who lived through Nazi Germany and still has their mental sharpness has some wisdom and can see evil when it pops up.

listen to this woman yourself. I got emotional watching it. I remember when i saw everyone wearing masks outside in my state i sensed a evil. I told my friend they might start killing people.

Masking children who do not even spread the virus is horrible.

Here is the video....

https://welovetrump.com/2021/03/29/w...oday-is-worse/

You know Hitler did not start killing the jews right away you lose your rights incrementally. He did not put them in camps in the beginning.

Can you please ignore that the website says we love trump trump has nothing to do with this and is not in office. this is a real person who survived the holocaust. This is far bigger than any politician.

For those that do not know Canada's restrictions are far worse then the United states but we could get there. they force you into a hotel and give you very little food If they suspect you were in contact or may have coronavirus. IF you leave the hotel you will be arrested.

In Australia their lockdowns are insane I saw a video of the police ripping a baby out of a mothers arms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgUkNs5WZqY
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Old 04-02-2021, 05:35 PM
 
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From an I Love Trump website. This is utterly, completely, total BS. Carry on Q morons.
q is ridiculous you make assumptions that I fully support trump and that I believe in Q nonsense. the name of the website is irrelevant.
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Old 04-02-2021, 07:19 PM
 
Location: East of the Burgh.
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Hmmm

Option A: COVID Socialist dictatorship

Option B: Mengele's nutty Wee wee removal Auschwitz style without anesthesia

Ummm. I'll take Option A if I have to make a choice
How about neither?
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Old 04-02-2021, 08:23 PM
 
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My impression and understating of this woman’s opinion is that she is comparing the conditions and issues that led to the rise of power in Germany, and the National Socialist Party/. Not a direct analogy, as we certainly do not have concentration camps , thankfully. The closest we came was probably under FDR when he gathered up all Japanese American Citizens.

I have in other posts , drawn similar analogies between pre ww Germany and the current environment here in America at this time. And there are some that definitely have some merit.

Basically , to be brief, the first revolves around principles and perceptions that are not true and exploited for political gain . The Reichstag Fire was used to increase scrutiny and distaste for a rival political party by falsifying certian aspects and outright lies. A similar situation occurred after Jan 6th, when it was declared as a “ White Supremacist Insurrection” , without any hard evidence to support it.

This led to a new focus on” domestic terrorism” , an elusive label that nearly defies description, renewed , increased and even new entrances of the Government into the privacy of others searching bankrecords and credit card, receipts , etc. The Democrats even used the Jan 6th incident to surround the Capitol with barb wire and had several thousands troops on hand. This actually is very close to what occurred in 1930’s Germany, which gave the people a false sense that , “ internal enemies” were to blame, and they have been harassed . Indeed, Nancy Pelosi even said it was enemies within the Capitol to be concerned about.

Secondly, there is similarity today to what was in pre ww 2 Germany’s “ enabling Law” , which muzzled the press to control dissent and opposition. Sound familiar? Not the Democrats themselves, but their water carriers and Media enablers do the heavy lifting. And then of course, are their pals in Big Tech , who can just drop you off the Free Speech cliff. And now we are seeing even Corporate “ enablers” , the consequences of Democracy passed Elections Laws being called out by Corporations after they received a call from the DNC no doubt.

And then lastly is the Fear and Intimidation analogy. No, there aren’t concentration camps for enemies and dissenters, but there are specific platforms attacking certain groups, like The Founding Fathers , White Males those considered to be “ racist” by comments or deeds . What is strikingly similar is the sculpturing of the media to support one political view, while opposite views are either not recognized as legitimate, or ignored.

There is actually a lot more. Otherwise, I would never consider it to be a good decision to discount and belittle the words of those that have actually lived through history. We allow great latitude to those who gather historical facts regarding their assimilation and output, we should just as well pay attention to those with their ear closer to the ground.
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Old 04-02-2021, 08:43 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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My impression and understating of this woman’s opinion is that she is comparing the conditions and issues that led to the rise of power in Germany, and the National Socialist Party/. Not a direct analogy, as we certainly do not have concentration camps , thankfully. The closest we came was probably under FDR when he gathered up all Japanese American Citizens.

I have in other posts , drawn similar analogies between pre ww Germany and the current environment here in America at this time. And there are some that definitely have some merit.

Basically , to be brief, the first revolves around principles and perceptions that are not true and exploited for political gain . The Reichstag Fire was used to increase scrutiny and distaste for a rival political party by falsifying certian aspects and outright lies. A similar situation occurred after Jan 6th, when it was declared as a “ White Supremacist Insurrection” , without any hard evidence to support it.

This led to a new focus on” domestic terrorism” , an elusive label that nearly defies description, renewed , increased and even new entrances of the Government into the privacy of others searching bankrecords and credit card, receipts , etc. The Democrats even used the Jan 6th incident to surround the Capitol with barb wire and had several thousands troops on hand. This actually is very close to what occurred in 1930’s Germany, which gave the people a false sense that , “ internal enemies” were to blame, and they have been harassed . Indeed, Nancy Pelosi even said it was enemies within the Capitol to be concerned about.

Secondly, there is similarity today to what was in pre ww 2 Germany’s “ enabling Law” , which muzzled the press to control dissent and opposition. Sound familiar? Not the Democrats themselves, but their water carriers and Media enablers do the heavy lifting. And then of course, are their pals in Big Tech , who can just drop you off the Free Speech cliff. And now we are seeing even Corporate “ enablers” , the consequences of Democracy passed Elections Laws being called out by Corporations after they received a call from the DNC no doubt.

And then lastly is the Fear and Intimidation analogy. No, there aren’t concentration camps for enemies and dissenters, but there are specific platforms attacking certain groups, like The Founding Fathers , White Males those considered to be “ racist” by comments or deeds . What is strikingly similar is the sculpturing of the media to support one political view, while opposite views are either not recognized as legitimate, or ignored.

There is actually a lot more. Otherwise, I would never consider it to be a good decision to discount and belittle the words of those that have actually lived through history. We allow great latitude to those who gather historical facts regarding their assimilation and output, we should just as well pay attention to those with their ear closer to the ground.
Exactly. I was just reading some of the earlier replies, and I think people are taking it too literally and assuming that she's comparing the Holocaust exactly to what we've experienced so far. The real comparison is that this is how it starts, and now it's more than for just certain groups of people. And the people doing it are openly talking about their plans to fundamentally change the country, and the world.

People from other countries have also urgently informed us of the warning signs of government takeovers, etc.

It's so odd how often the famous "never forget" (so it doesn't happen again) phrase is repeated, yet it's so often not heeded.

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