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Old 04-01-2021, 12:41 AM
 
Location: Land of the Free
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I'm all for having vaccines made in America, but not in Baltimore. There's a reason all those Hopkins NIH dollars produce so few local companies. Plus, any manufacturing there delays the bulldozing of the place that's badly needed.
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Old 04-01-2021, 04:53 AM
 
Location: New Market, MD
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Well, with Biden in charge what do you expect. He's incompetent in every regard. If Trump were still in office this would not have happened.

So this screw up means Americans who voted for Biden have killed even more people.



And then they say don't call Trump supporters a 'cult'
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Old 04-01-2021, 05:01 AM
 
Location: Sandusky, Ohio
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Woopsie! Fauci will say something comforting soon.
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Old 04-01-2021, 09:33 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Well their baby powder had asbestos in it so what do you expect.
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Old 04-01-2021, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Florida
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15 million vials made and they just catch it??? How nuts is this!! Where is the quality control people ?? Sleeping ?
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Old 04-01-2021, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Well, with Biden in charge what do you expect. He's incompetent in every regard. If Trump were still in office this would not have happened.

So this screw up means Americans who voted for Biden have killed even more people.
Biden was at the Emergent Bio Solution production facility mixing doses? Who knew?

Obviously, the facility has adequate internal controls to test and detect mistakes before loading vials, let alone shipping.

FDA are all over this and will likely emphasize preventative controls.
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Old 04-01-2021, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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15 million vials made and they just catch it??? How nuts is this!! Where is the quality control people ?? Sleeping ?
Nope. That’s not what happened.

The internal controls within the Emergent Bio Solution facility detected the mix up of ingredients within a batch.
This happened way before the batch gets transported to another facility responsible for filling vials before shipping.

Obviously the, let’s call it , contaminated batch, will not be put into vials, which some have estimated could have been as many as 15 million vials.

Not clear which ingredient(s) were a part of the mix up nor the impact had existing controls been inadequate or non- existent.

In terms of a back story, J&J locked arms with Emergent Bio Solutions in April, 2020 to manufacture the vaccine, J&J was developing with Federal grants.

Records show Emergent Bio Solutions had previous citations going back years for inadequate auditing, some mold contamination within the facility and poorly trained employees. Context is needed here to determine how this citation history compares to other facilities manufacturing vaccines/ medications.

BTW, NYT broke this story as they did the Hillary email/ server story. Guess it’s only fake news when it questions Trump.
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Old 04-01-2021, 10:22 AM
Status: "Let this year be over..." (set 22 days ago)
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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Well, with Biden in charge what do you expect. He's incompetent in every regard. If Trump were still in office this would not have happened.

So this screw up means Americans who voted for Biden have killed even more people.
Yeah Biden is in charge of where the private industries produce the vaccine ..

If Trump were still in office we would be waiting for to buy the vaccine as he demonstrated with the initial rollout and the failure to secure future orders, oh well suns out time to go play golf again...
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Old 04-01-2021, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Well their baby powder had asbestos in it so what do you expect.
In March, 2020 J&J announced a combined investment of $1 billion with the Federal Government for R&D of a vaccine candidate. In August, J&J received a $1 billion grant to manufacture vaccine, in anticipation of completion of trials and eventual FDA approval.
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Old 04-01-2021, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Yeah Biden is in charge of where the private industries produce the vaccine ..

If Trump were still in office we would be waiting for to buy the vaccine as he demonstrated with the initial rollout and the failure to secure future orders, oh well suns out time to go play golf again...
Trump Admin had committed near $2 billion to J&J between March- August, 2020.

The German company BioNTech developed a vaccine and partnered with Pfizer to take it across the line and into production. It took no Federal money for R&D and trials.

For reasons unknown, the Trump Admin allowed multiple options to order beyond the initial order, back in June despite the known lead time. Speculation on my part, they may have thought it would have more options given Moderna, Merck and J&J were a part of Operation Warp speed and the Federal Government was sharing financial risks.

Merck, subsequently dropped out and Moderna and J&J took longer than expected.

Trump got a lot of mileage out of announcing there would be 100 million vaccines before year end- maybe sooner. Reality was 80 million +/- short. As we now appreciate number of vaccines = doses. Beginning in mid December, the Trump Admin gave itself and Congress, regardless of age or health, priority over most healthcare professionals and the most vulnerable in terms of opportunity to be vaccinated.

The Trump Admin did however order another 100 million doses from Pfizer on 12/23 for delivery between 6/30-7/31.

Those skeptical or opposed to the Covid vaccine cross political lines.
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